Iraq Collapsing

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

No one, I would have thought, could even possibly be as stupid as you're now pretending to be tree, or actually are..

 

I'd almost now excuse you as one who's merely playing the conversational dunce for meaningless, internet attention....but...you're not playing. 

Ms Tree is simply a result of libtard conditioning. 
 
He lives in a world of 2+2=5. 

 

[delldude]

Make this go away...........Note references to 'declassified' .                      
 
 
 
From House Armed Services Committee Hearings:
 

 
 
Rep. Weldon at the recent hearing:
For those who claim these weapons are not the weapons of mass destruction that the United States went to war over, I would like to refer them to the 17 United Nations Security Council Resolutions that Saddam Hussein violated – and in particular, the 14 that specifically addressed WMD. The very first one after the Operation Desert Storm – UNSCR 687 – directed the destruction of Iraq’s stockpiles of chemical weapons. Saddam Hussein violated this resolution and others like it, and the verified existence of such chemical weapons proves that. In part because of such violations, we voted to authorize the use of military force in Iraq.
 
Other may claim that this newly declassified information is not signficant. In fact inthe September 2004 report of the “Special Advisor to the Director of Central Intelligence on Iraq’s Weapons of Mass Destruction” – Charles Duelfer – states that coalition forces could expect to find numbers of these munitions throughout the Iraqi countryside. This bears repeating: we will find weapons filled with deadly chemical agents in Iraq. We now have verified the existence of about 500 such weapons, and the intelligence report assesses that others – ones that could be sold on the black market, that could fall into the hands of terrorists or insurgents, that could end up outside of Iraq – still exist there.
 
Third, some people claim that these weapons are pre-Gulf War munitions with a badly degraded chemical agent that is no longer lethal or even harmful. To them, I point to the declassified statement from the intelligence report that chemical warfare agents might degrade over time, but they still remain hazardous and potentially lethal. I also point to the Secretary of Defense himself, who expressed strong concern about these weapons just last week. Secretary Rumsfeld said, QUOTE “They are dangerous… They are weapons of mass destruction. They’re harmful to human beings. And they have been found. And they had not been reported by Saddam Hussein as he inaccurately alleged that he had reported all of his weapons. And they are still being found and discovered.” UN-QUOTE
Finally, there are some who insist that despite finding more than 500 munitions filled with mustard or sarin nerve agent, there are no WMD in Iraq. Allow me to quote statements made two weeks ago on the floor of the House during the debate on the Iraq resolution, straight from the Congressional Record:

• “Absolutely no evidence of any kind of weapons of mass destruction.”
• “There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.”
• “I am struck to hear people still defending the arguments about the weapons of mass destruction.”
• “We know that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. We know that to be the case.”
• “I knew from the very beginning that there were no weapons of mass destruction.”
• “We are certain that Iraq does not possess weapons of mass destruction–and never did.”

This is patently not the case.

 
 
 

 
 
Rep. Frank Gaffney had these points to make:
With all this as backdrop, let me offer several observations about Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction, the threat they posed and the implications of the latest revelations by the National Ground Intelligence Center about some 500 chemical munitions previously secured by U.S. forces.

• First, it is undeniable that Saddam Hussein had chemical and biological weapons in the years before the liberation of Iraq. For one thing, he acknowledged as much. For another, he used some of these capabilities against Iranian forces and his own Kurdish population. He never accounted, as he was obliged to, for the destruction of that arsenal and it would be irresponsible to operate on any assumption other than that he continued to retain such capabilities.
• Second, Saddam had the know-how, technology, trained personnel and facilities to manufacture chemical and biological agents at will. Having done so in the past meant that he could do so in the future. Even if, arguendo, he had eliminated every gram of chemical or biological agent and every munition in which it was or could be placed, producing more could be accomplished quickly.
• Third, in a relatively little-noted finding, the Iraq Survey Group established that the Iraqi dictator was actually engaged in continuing, low-level research and development on and even production of chemical and biological agents such as sulfur mustard, nitrogen mustard, ricin and aflatoxin. He thus maintained not only the potential to generate small quantities of such toxic materials – say, the quantities suitable for terrorist or “intelligence” purposes. He actually was still in that business at or about the time of Operation Iraqi Freedom.
• Fourth, the Iraq Survey Group also found that Saddam Hussein’s henchmen had plans to emplace sarin nerve gas and sulfur mustard in “perfume sprayers and medicine bottles which they would ship to the United States and Europe.” This, Mr. Chairman, is for me the sort of “smoking gun” we should have been looking for: Hard evidence that the so-called “Butcher of Baghdad” was, in fact, bent on unleashing terror attacks against this country and its allies as part of his pursuit of revenge against those who humiliated him in the first Gulf War.
• Fifth, the Iraq Survey Group learned that “ricin [a deadly toxin] was being developed into stable liquid to deliver as an aerosol.” As one of the ISG’s inspectors, Richard Spertzel, observed in the Wall Street Journal last October: “Such development was not just for assassination. If Iraq was successful in developing an aerosolizable ricin, it made a significant step forward. The development had to be for terrorist delivery. Even on a small scale, this must be considered as a WMD.”
• Sixth, Saddam’s regime actually tested its arsenal of WMD against human subjects. According to Mr. Spertzel, this may have continued as late as 2002. It is hard to square such ongoing and inhumane activity with any purpose other than the intent to confirm the ability to cause assured, and probably mass, destruction.
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So, against this backdrop, what are we to make of the finding that a large number of “pre-Gulf War” munitions apparently containing aging and degraded chemical agents have, in fact, been found by U.S. forces since the fall of Saddam’s regime?
Given the foregoing facts, such a revelation should not come as a particular surprise. That is especially true insofar as Saddam’s military stashed innumerable ordnance caches all over the country and, evidently with some frequency, emplaced chemical weapons amidst conventional ones.

 
http://floppingaces.net/2006/07/01/the-magic-list-of-wmds-in-iraq/
 

 
Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says
By Samantha L. Quigley
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, June 29, 2006 – The 500 munitions discovered throughout Iraq since 2003 and discussed in a National Ground Intelligence Center report meet the criteria of weapons of mass destruction, the center's commander said here today.
"These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes ... they do constitute weapons of mass destruction," Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee.
The Chemical Weapons Convention is an arms control agreement which outlaws the production, stockpiling and use of chemical weapons. It was signed in 1993 and entered into force in 1997.
The munitions found contain sarin and mustard gases, Army Lt. Gen. Michael D. Maples, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, said. Sarin attacks the neurological system and is potentially lethal.

http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=15918

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Ms Tree is simply a result of libtard conditioning. 
 
He lives in a world of 2+2=5. 

The truth hurts.

 

[delldude]

Cheney's on Iraq:
 

 

Rarely has a U.S. president been so wrong about so much at the expense of so many. Too many times to count, Mr. Obama has told us he is "ending" the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan—as though wishing made it so. His rhetoric has now come crashing into reality. Watching the black-clad ISIS jihadists take territory once secured by American blood is final proof, if any were needed, that America's enemies are not "decimated." They are emboldened and on the march.
The fall of the Iraqi cities of Fallujah, Tikrit, Mosul and Tel Afar, and the establishment of terrorist safe havens across a large swath of the Arab world, present a strategic threat to the security of the United States. Mr. Obama's actions—before and after ISIS's recent advances in Iraq—have the effect of increasing that threat.
On a trip to the Middle East this spring, we heard a constant refrain in capitals from the Persian Gulf to Israel, "Can you please explain what your president is doing?" "Why is he walking away?" "Why is he so blithely sacrificing the hard fought gains you secured in Iraq?" "Why is he abandoning your friends?" "Why is he doing deals with your enemies?"
In one Arab capital, a senior official pulled out a map of Syria and Iraq. Drawing an arc with his finger from Raqqa province in northern Syria to Anbar province in western Iraq, he said, "They will control this territory. Al Qaeda is building safe havens and training camps here. Don't the Americans care?"
Our president doesn't seem to. Iraq is at risk of falling to a radical Islamic terror group and Mr. Obama is talking climate change. Terrorists take control of more territory and resources than ever before in history, and he goes golfing. He seems blithely unaware, or indifferent to the fact, that a resurgent al Qaeda presents a clear and present danger to the United States of America.
When Mr. Obama and his team came into office in 2009, al Qaeda in Iraq had been largely defeated, thanks primarily to the heroic efforts of U.S. armed forces during the surge. Mr. Obama had only to negotiate an agreement to leave behind some residual American forces, training and intelligence capabilities to help secure the peace. Instead, he abandoned Iraq and we are watching American defeat snatched from the jaws of victory.

In the face of this threat, Mr. Obama is busy ushering America's adversaries into positions of power in the Middle East. First it was the Russians in Syria. Now, in a move that defies credulity, he toys with the idea of ushering Iran into Iraq. Only a fool would believe American policy in Iraq should be ceded to Iran, the world's largest state sponsor of terror.
This president is willfully blind to the impact of his policies. Despite the threat to America unfolding across the Middle East, aided by his abandonment of Iraq, he has announced he intends to follow the same policy in Afghanistan.
Despite clear evidence of the dire need for American leadership around the world, the desperation of our allies and the glee of our enemies, President Obama seems determined to leave office ensuring he has taken America down a notch. Indeed, the speed of the terrorists' takeover of territory in Iraq has been matched only by the speed of American decline on his watch.

 

[700UW]

Cheney wants war to increase his own bank account through Haliburton.

 

[SparrowHawk]

How does arguing about why we are there deal with the issue what to do now? We all have a pretty decent idea of how we got there but at this juncture it really does not matter.

 
 
It's called learning the lessons that history teaches. We marched in, we can just march out. Cut the entire region off from the Yankee Dollar and spend the money HERE on our own people. We are stuck for now with the Saudi's and the Petrodollar scheme. The rest of the countries can go to hell as far as I'm concerned.

 

[delldude]

Cheney wants war to increase his own bank account through Haliburton.

 
So Bush/Cheney were tight with Haliburton.
 
Barack, GE and Google
 
Mickey O, CMS.
 
So whats your point?
 
You hear over 500 WMD's been found in Iraq?

 

[SparrowHawk]

Cheney wants war to increase his own bank account through Haliburton.

 

Cheney wants war to increase his own bank account through Haliburton.

 
Really? What exactly does Halliburton do?
 
Ever looked into the contracts Bechtel has in Iraq? They build water plants and sewage treatment. Their involvement in Iraq is as big if not bigger. What else can you tell me about Bechtel?

 

[700UW]

That George Herbert Walker Bush has connections with them.

 

What’s more, as the New Yorker reports, this public largess will also fill the coffers of a key Bechtel partner in Saudi Arabia –a well-connected global conglomerate that has also been a long-time financial partner of both George Bush I and George Bush II: the Bin Laden Group.
 
Bechtel, which has served Saudi royalty for more than 60 years, bristles with heavyweight kleptoplute connections. During the 1980s, current Bush warlord Don Rumsfeld acted as a paid shill for a Bechtel pipeline project in the Middle East, operating with the blessing of the Reagan-Bush administration’s secretary of state, George Schultz –Bechtel’s former president (and now "senior counsel" to the company). Rummy conducted a passionate two-year courtship of a certain Saddam Hussein, plying him with trinkets, blandishments and sweetmeats to win his lordly favor for a Bechtel-built line from Iraq to Jordan, according to national security archives obtained by the Institute for Policy Studies.
 

 

[SparrowHawk]

That George Herbert Walker Bush has connections with them.
 

 
Partly right. Quoted from the NYT in 1982 when Bush was still tootin'.
 
"Richard Helms, a former Director of Central Intelligence in the Nixon Administration, is employed by Bechtel as an outside consultant on the Middle East and international affairs. Bechtel's roster of consultants also includes Francis Jungers, a former chairman of the Arabian American Oil Company, who is also a consultant on Middle Eastern affairs."
 
By the time we got to RR he had as many as three cabinet level former Bechtel executives.
 
" Defense Casper W. Weinberger had been Bechtel's general counsel until his appointment to the Reagan Cabinet. He, like Mr. Shultz, also served in a Cabinet post under President Nixon.
 
You act like Dick Cheney just fell off the trunip truck. These crony capitalist rat bastards have manipulated government and currency since before either of us were born. Obama does it with Monsanto and the FDA. The republicans are Military Industrial Complex oriented. LBJ did the same thing in Vietnam so don't act like Bush thought this type of thing up all by his lonesome. Daddy was in on it too probably as far back as the 1853 CIA led coup in Iran in 1953. 
 
​Who gives a rat's ass about DICK Cheney? He's a rank [SIZE=15.454545021057129px]amateur[/SIZE] compared to those who've gone before.

 

[PHXConx]

are we really discussing who has connections with who?
 
This is like the 6 degrees of kevin bacon
 
everyone has connections with everyone.. the clintons were in bed with brown and root, which is a subsidary of Haliburton... so technically they have ties with Haliburton...
 
everyone everyone everyone in politcs have ties with someone, most all businesses split their donations to both parties both candidates..  
 
proving a politicians has ties with someone is like saying the sun is warm, so everything that is warm is connected to the sun... 
 
its a game both sides play because they know both sides play that game, its designed to get the low info voter wrapped up in trivial arguments of who is "connected" to who..  
 
stop being a slave to trivial crap like this..  

 

[xUT]

IMHO, any semi-intelligent individual saw this coming.
It has happened before when we went in but not committed for the duration.
I do believe that if we had stayed in Iraq, this would not be happening.
However, we have to deal with the realities.
NoBama is so desperate not to go back he is in talks with IRAN.
Doesn't this make you crazy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMaE6toi4mk

 

[Ms Tree]

We would have to stay their forever and rule the country like Sadam did. Why remove one despot to replace it with another. These factions have been fighting for thousands of years. We are not going to stop it.

How many US lives is it worth? How much money is it worth?

 

[SparrowHawk]

How many US lives is it worth? How much money is it worth?

NONE

 

[delldude]

Coming to a city near you soon......
 

 
Iraq crisis: Isis jihadists 'seize Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons stockpile' - live Latest developments and news from the Iraq crisis, as Saudi Arabia warns that Britain and US must not meddle in Iraq

Good thing you guys elected Obama.........LOL
 
Someone get Bush's Iraq Survey Group on the phone.....