Iraq Collapsing

[Ms Tree]

Words have specific meanings. If you are unable to use words properly you need to look them up. You cannot just make things up.

 

[EastUS1]

Words have specific meanings. If you are unable to use words properly ............

 
 
You again display nothing more than an utterly incredible level of manifest ignorance and wholesale naivete. Which language would you wish to continue this in, in order to best "use words properly"? I've nothing of the slavic, arabic nor oriental in stock, so go easy on me...?

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

For someone who is so intent on convincing all here of your superiority with prose, you should at least try and use proper wording in what you write.

Instead, you have spent the last two pages trying to convince all how stupid someone else is, at the expense of cheapening the debate.

 

[700UW]

 

[Ms Tree]

For someone who is so intent on convincing all here of your superiority with prose, you should at least try and use proper wording in what you write.
Instead, you have spent the last two pages trying to convince all how stupid someone else is, at the expense of cheapening the debate.

And the definition of a draft dodger still haven't changed.

I think he is trying to convince him self.

 

[delldude]

For someone who is so intent on convincing all here of your superiority with prose, you should at least try and use proper wording in what you write.

Instead, you have spent the last two pages trying to convince all how stupid someone else is, at the expense of cheapening the debate.

 
Doesn't matter here....its another mindless trolling thread by Tree.
 

 
Bill Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act paving the way for Bush.
 

 

 


 

 


Statement on Signing the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998
October 31, 1998
 
 Today I am signing into law H.R. 4655, the "Iraq Liberation Act of 1998." This Act makes clear that it is the sense of the Congress that the United States should support those elements of the Iraqi opposition that advocate a very different future for Iraq than the bitter reality of internal repression and external aggression that the current regime in Baghdad now offers.
Let me be clear on what the U.S. objectives are:
The United States wants Iraq to rejoin the family of nations as a freedom-loving and lawabiding member. This is in our interest and that of our allies within the region.
The United States favors an Iraq that offers its people freedom at home. I categorically reject arguments that this is unattainable due to Iraq's history or its ethnic or sectarian makeup. Iraqis deserve and desire freedom like everyone else.
The United States looks forward to a democratically supported regime that would permit us to enter into a dialogue leading to the reintegration of Iraq into normal international life.
My Administration has pursued, and will continue to pursue, these objectives through active application of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions. The evidence is overwhelming that such changes will not happen under the current Iraq leadership.
In the meantime, while the United States continues to look to the Security Council's efforts to keep the current regime's behavior in check, we look forward to new leadership in Iraq that has the support of the Iraqi people. The United States is providing support to opposition groups from all sectors of the Iraqi community that could lead to a popularly supported government.
On October 21, 1998, I signed into law the Omnibus Consolidated and Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act, 1999, which made $8 million available for assistance to the Iraqi democratic opposition. This assistance is intended to help the democratic opposition unify, work together more effectively, and articulate the aspirations of the Iraqi people for a pluralistic, participatory political system that will include all of Iraq's diverse ethnic and religious groups. As required by the Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for FY 1998 (Public Law 105-174), the Department of State submitted a report to the Congress on plans to establish a program to support the democratic opposition. My Administration, as required by that statute, has also begun to implement a program to compile information regarding allegations of genocide, crimes against humanity, and war crimes by Iraq's current leaders as a step towards bringing to justice those directly responsible for such acts.
The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 provides additional, discretionary authorities under which my Administration can act to further the objectives I outlined above. There are, of course, other important elements of U.S. policy. These include the maintenance of U.N. Security Council support efforts to eliminate Iraq's prohibited weapons and missile programs and economic sanctions that continue to deny the regime the means to reconstitute those threats to international peace and security. United States support for the Iraqi opposition will be carried out consistent with those policy objectives as well. Similarly, U.S. support must be attuned to what the opposition can effectively make use of as it develops over time. With those observations, I sign H.R. 4655 into law.
WILLIAM J. CLINTON
The White House, October 31, 1998.
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=55205

 
Doors open for George.....LOL

 

[700UW]

Then why did Bush have Powell ask Congress for permission with the false facts?
 
Powell's own words:
 

 
The Iraqis were reported to have biological-agent production facilities mounted in mobile vans. I highlighted the vans in my speech, having been assured that the information about their existence was multiple-sourced and solid. After the speech, the mobile-van story fell apart—they didn’t exist. A pair of facts then emerged that I should have known before I gave the speech. One, our intelligence people had never actually talked to the single source—nicknamed Curveball—for the information about the vans, a source our intelligence people considered flaky and unreliable. (They should have had several sources for their information.) Two, based on this and other information no one passed along to me, a number of senior analysts were unsure whether or not the vans existed, and they believed Curveball was unreliable. They had big don’t knows that they never passed on. Some of these same analysts later wrote books claiming they were shocked that I had relied on such deeply flawed evidence.
 
Yes, the evidence was deeply flawed. So why did no one stand up and speak out during the intense hours we worked on the speech? “We really don’t know that! We can’t trust that! You can’t say that!” It takes courage to do that, especially if you are standing up to a view strongly held by a superior or to the generally prevailing view, or if you really don’t want to acknowledge ignorance when your boss is demanding answers.
 

http://www.newsweek.com/colin-powell-bush-administrations-iraq-war-mistakes-65023

 

[700UW]

During an interview with The Daily Show host Jon Stewart, former Secretary of State Colin Powell said he regretted telling the United Nations that Iraq was harboring weapons of mass destruction.
 
“I, of course, regret the U.N. speech that I gave,” he said, “which became the prominent presentation of our case. But we thought it was correct at the time. The President thought it was correct. Congress thought it was correct.”
 
In a February 2003 speech to the U.N. Security Council, Powell alleged that Iraq was hiding weapons of mass destruction from inspectors and refusing to disarm. However, after the U.S. had invaded Iraq and overthrown Saddam Hussein, no weapons of mass destruction were found.
 
“Of course I regret that a lot of it turned out be wrong,” he said.
 
But Powell insisted a lot of his intelligence was “on point.”
 
If Saddam Hussein stayed there, and his regime stayed in place, and he got out of U.N. sanctions, you would have seen weapons of mass destruction.”
 

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/13/colin-powell-regrets-u-n-speech-justifying-the-iraq-invasion/

 

[Ms Tree]

Very few spoke out and those that did were squashed by the rest of the country who wanted revenge. Revenge at any cost and against someone even if they had nothing to with what transpired on 9/11.

 

[delldude]

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/13/colin-powell-regrets-u-n-speech-justifying-the-iraq-invasion/
 
In a February 2003 speech to the U.N. Security Council, Powell alleged that Iraq was hiding weapons of mass destruction from inspectors and refusing to disarm. However, after the U.S. had invaded Iraq and overthrown Saddam Hussein, no weapons of mass destruction were found.
 
“Of course I regret that a lot of it turned out be wrong,” he said.
 
But Powell insisted a lot of his intelligence was “on point.”
 
If Saddam Hussein stayed there, and his regime stayed in place, and he got out of U.N. sanctions, you would have seen weapons of mass destruction.”
 

 
But Powell, just like you,didn't have all the facts at the time of his speech and was proven wrong when classified information did show over 500 munitions containing agents classified as WMD's were found from 2003 on.
These facts were brought out in open testimony from the Armed Services committee.
 
You skipped over the little tidbit where Powell in fact claimed alot of the intel was, in fact, on point...LOL

 

[700UW]

I didnt skip anything, I posted it in my quote.
 
And Powell himself admitted they were wrong, funny how you glanced over that part.

 

[delldude]

I didnt skip anything, I posted it in my quote.
 
And Powell himself admitted they were wrong, funny how you glanced over that part.

 
In a 2003 speech.......since 2003 some 500 munitions classified as WMD's have been found......you missed that.

 

[KCFlyer]

 
In a 2003 speech.......since 2003 some 500 munitions classified as WMD's have been found......you missed that.

 Now for the S64,000 question....were any of those 500 munitions posing a threat to the USA and were they worth 5,000 lives to find?  Could any of them have resulted in "The smoking gun coming in the form of a mushroom cloud"? 

 

[SparrowHawk]

 Now for the S64,000 question....were any of those 500 munitions posing a threat to the USA and were they worth 5,000 lives to find?  Could any of them have resulted in "The smoking gun coming in the form of a mushroom cloud"? 

 
NO

 

[PHXConx]

 
In a 2003 speech.......since 2003 some 500 munitions classified as WMD's have been found......you missed that.

 
 

 Now for the S64,000 question....were any of those 500 munitions posing a threat to the USA and were they worth 5,000 lives to find?  Could any of them have resulted in "The smoking gun coming in the form of a mushroom cloud"? 

 
 

 
NO

 
well we probably havent counted the pressure cookers in Iraq yet... since this administration has declared them WMD...  so call hans brix and lets get this recount underway....