Apparently so! Should US Airways stick with the A350?
http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/061201/eads_a350.html?.v=5
http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/061201/eads_a350.html?.v=5
Is the Airbus 350 Ready for Launch?
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If it will take Airbus seven to nine years to launch this plane, they shouldn't bother. Even with the very large backlog that exists for the 787, airlines could order from Boeing today and still have aircraft before the A350 would be ready.
The only way Airbus could start that far behind the 787 and still gain a decent number of orders is if the A350's operating costs would be significantly lower, which doesn't seem likely - or if the A350's sticker price would much lower, which also doesn't seem possible due to the $10-12 billion in development costs.
Seems like Airbus should spend a fraction of that time & money to somewhat improve the A330 (a very good plane) - and then undercut the 787 on price. They should take the rest of that development money to build a replacement for the A320 series because Airbus can't afford to fall behind in the battle over the next narrowbody or they may never recover.
If it will take Airbus seven to nine years to launch this plane, they shouldn't bother. Even with the very large backlog that exists for the 787, airlines could order from Boeing today and still have aircraft before the A350 would be ready.
The only way Airbus could start that far behind the 787 and still gain a decent number of orders is if the A350's operating costs would be significantly lower, which doesn't seem likely - or if the A350's sticker price would much lower, which also doesn't seem possible due to the $10-12 billion in development costs.
Seems like Airbus should spend a fraction of that time & money to somewhat improve the A330 (a very good plane) - and then undercut the 787 on price. They should take the rest of that development money to build a replacement for the A320 series because Airbus can't afford to fall behind in the battle over the next narrowbody or they may never recover.
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Hey think of this way....even if the Delta deal goes sour we will try and scoop up someone else and bam, there are your widebody a/c. LOL
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I know that the idea of picking up used widebodies is mentioned occassionally, but rather than finding the subject in an old thread I'll just post this here....
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Demand soars for older wide-body jets
The Boeing 767 could be sticking around a little bit longer than some expected. The Chicago Tribune (free registration) writes that the jet "was supposed to be obsolete" and "headed for a dusty desert parking space." But now, it and other widebody aircraft are suddenly in high demand. The paper writes that "a global shortage of widebody aircraft, and the recent production and design problems involving two yet to be launched Airbus wide-bodies, has turned the hulking 767 and other old models into hot commodities, even as ...Boeing mulls shutting down its 767 production line." The Tribune notes that lease rates for the 767 have more than doubled and says there are no 767-300 series jets available for rent anywhere in the world, according to Back Aviation Systems, which monitors the market. The surge in demand also has spread to Boeing's 747 and Airbus' A330 models.
And if your airline wants a 777? "Forget about it," the Tribune writes. "You've got a perfect storm right now with the delay of the A380 and the attendant delay of the A350," Glen Langdon, president and CEO of Langdon Asset Management, tells the Tribune. Langdon, whose firm buys and sells aircraft, calls it "a significant problem." It's also becoming a problem for airlines that want to add long-range flights on high-yield international routes. To add such flights, carriers must be able to snag a plane out of what's becoming an increasingly tight inventory of twin-aisle jets that are also capable of flying 5,000 miles or farther. "It's very difficult today to get your hand on airplanes," Sheik Ahmed bin Saeed Al-Maktoum, chairman and CEO of rapidly expanding Emirates, says to the Tribune.
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Demand soars for older wide-body jets
The Boeing 767 could be sticking around a little bit longer than some expected. The Chicago Tribune (free registration) writes that the jet "was supposed to be obsolete" and "headed for a dusty desert parking space." But now, it and other widebody aircraft are suddenly in high demand. The paper writes that "a global shortage of widebody aircraft, and the recent production and design problems involving two yet to be launched Airbus wide-bodies, has turned the hulking 767 and other old models into hot commodities, even as ...Boeing mulls shutting down its 767 production line." The Tribune notes that lease rates for the 767 have more than doubled and says there are no 767-300 series jets available for rent anywhere in the world, according to Back Aviation Systems, which monitors the market. The surge in demand also has spread to Boeing's 747 and Airbus' A330 models.
And if your airline wants a 777? "Forget about it," the Tribune writes. "You've got a perfect storm right now with the delay of the A380 and the attendant delay of the A350," Glen Langdon, president and CEO of Langdon Asset Management, tells the Tribune. Langdon, whose firm buys and sells aircraft, calls it "a significant problem." It's also becoming a problem for airlines that want to add long-range flights on high-yield international routes. To add such flights, carriers must be able to snag a plane out of what's becoming an increasingly tight inventory of twin-aisle jets that are also capable of flying 5,000 miles or farther. "It's very difficult today to get your hand on airplanes," Sheik Ahmed bin Saeed Al-Maktoum, chairman and CEO of rapidly expanding Emirates, says to the Tribune.
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And now Airbus only has a single customer (UPS) for the A380 freighter version since ILFC converted their freighter order.
Not that anybody on this board cares about freighters, but this development is important because of ILFC's prestige in the industry and their loss of confidence in Airbus is huge.
Airbus will cancel the A380 freighter version.
And the A350XWB is pure folly.
What will you do now John Leahy?
Not that anybody on this board cares about freighters, but this development is important because of ILFC's prestige in the industry and their loss of confidence in Airbus is huge.
Airbus will cancel the A380 freighter version.
And the A350XWB is pure folly.
What will you do now John Leahy?
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Please..... 🙄 by the time the A350 is on the property we'll be doing the 5 day "moon" trip. That plane will take forever for us to even get one. We better find some other a/c in the meantime. Apparently from different articles there are very few to be had. Hey, I hear that new corporate version of the E190 can fly long distances. LOL
