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Schnurmann's piece this weekend puts the new APA leadership in a better light than that of the toxic atmosphere Captain Hill had created. Here's hoping the APA and management can put the bad blood behind them and get on with the talks. Many of us are sick of being held hostage by the hardheadedness and heel digging from ALL sides that is plaguing negotiations. Laura Glading, please take note!

http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/06/26/2294578/its-the-bitter-end-for-leader.html
 
Schnurmann's piece this weekend puts the new APA leadership in a better light than that of the toxic atmosphere Captain Hill had created. Here's hoping the APA and management can put the bad blood behind them and get on with the talks. Many of us are sick of being held hostage by the hardheadedness and heel digging from ALL sides that is plaguing negotiations. Laura Glading, please take note!

http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/06/26/2294578/its-the-bitter-end-for-leader.html

Are you a member of the APA or APFA? If Lura Gladding takes note, then she won't be around for long, we the APFA may not want a bull in a china shop, we want a strong represenative and one that won't fall for the kool aid that others fall for.
 
Are you a member of the APA or APFA? If Lura Gladding takes note, then she won't be around for long, we the APFA may not want a bull in a china shop, we want a strong represenative and one that won't fall for the kool aid that others fall for.


I agree. I don't think Laura Glading has been especially confrontational. So far she has been speaking for the membership on our desire to not accept a "cost neutral" contract.
 
I agree. I don't think Laura Glading has been especially confrontational. So far she has been speaking for the membership on our desire to not accept a "cost neutral" contract.

Thank You, jersey777
 
The new leadership will serve the KOOLAAIDE so drink it up wont cost you anything. Work with mAAnagement as the twu has done for the last eight years and you to will share in the pain. You are better off at odds with management then helping them steer the ship in an endless circle of loosing money. After all its all your fault you dont work enough your work rules are not competitive AA cant compete unless you work for nothing when will you wake up good luck with the whole working together (Deleted by Moderator: profanity) look where it has gotten us 😀
 
The new leadership will serve the KOOLAAIDE so drink it up wont cost you anything. Work with mAAnagement as the twu has done for the last eight years and you to will share in the pain. You are better off at odds with management then helping them steer the ship in an endless circle of loosing money. After all its all your fault you dont work enough your work rules are not competitive AA cant compete unless you work for nothing when will you wake up good luck with the whole working together (Deleted by moderator) look where it has gotten us 😀

You are so right on the fact it our fault the APFA, APA, TWU we don't work hard enough!!!!!!!!! Not to mention being the least "productive" that word in it's self lead people not familiar with the situation or in it, to think we all sit around and do nothing. AA isn't to interestd in productivity.
 
I really don't see Glading as all that "neutral". The "decline or resign" stuff and the constant saber-rattling over a strike isn't exactly what I'd call a neutral position. Of course it's her job to advocate APFA's interests, but I see her taking plays from the Lloyd Hill playbook routinely.
 
Holly had a pretty good piece in this week's Plane Business over the APA's leadership changeover. Bates is willing to start opening up a line of discussion with Arpey and Horton, and management needs to extend not just an olive branch but the whole flippin' tree. Starting with ditching the PUP.

As much as some of you call the TWU lapdogs, the fact is that constant confrontation like what Hill promoted doesn't work over the long haul. There's a way to balance being civil & respectful yet still be able to represent the needs of your constituency. That's something I've always respected Conley for.
 
1. It doesn't matter who is the president of the APA. This is not a personality issue, it's a money issue. While a warm fuzzy APA leadership might look better to the outside, AA leadership will see that nothing short of weakness. Is anybody here actually under the belief that AA would stop stalling and actually start talking about key issues in the contract??? This is a standard negotiating ploy. Everyday AA can keep going under the current concessionary contract is thousands of bucks for the PUP, or whatever they're calling it now. There is zero incentive for AA to do ANYTHING except stall till the 11th hour and how "friendly" the APA has zero to do with it, unless, of course, if the APA were to accept an even deeper concessionary contract and the massive layoffs that would result. As far as the financial data provided under non-disclosure agreements, I wouldn't necessarily believe it anyway. It will only be parsed, twisted, tortured, and edited regardless.

2. Holly assumes that Bates is going to be a push-over like Moak at Delta who has given the store away in scope. I doubt Bates has any significant differences with Capt Hill's agenda and the current APA contract openers. Style, but not substance. Holly's wishful thinking is reading WAY too much into the change of leadership at the APA.

3. If AA wants to kill scope and massively outsource AA jobs to cheap commuters, then they're going to have to do it through bankruptcy, like Delta did. The APA got snookered in 2003 by AA. I don't think that's going to happen again. No bankruptcy class contract without the bankruptcy. Maybe a BK will result in a few thousand instant retirees, like Delta. The only problem is AA wants the BK contract without the hit to senior executive compensation or the massive disruption of mass retirements. They're not going to get it.
 
BK isn't just bad for the execs, it's bad for everyone. I don't support pushing the company that direction for the simple reason that it will affect my own pocketbook. That raise and bonus TA will be gone and we'll get a pay cut from the court instead. No more how concessionary some of you argue the current deal is, a deal in bankruptcy is guaranteed to be worse. No one wins except the lawyers.
 
BK isn't just bad for the execs, it's bad for everyone. I don't support pushing the company that direction for the simple reason that it will affect my own pocketbook. That raise and bonus TA will be gone and we'll get a pay cut from the court instead. No more how concessionary some of you argue the current deal is, a deal in bankruptcy is guaranteed to be worse. No one wins except the lawyers.

I have no problem with a bankruptcy. If they want a BK class contract, BRING IT ON!
 
BK isn't just bad for the execs, it's bad for everyone. I don't support pushing the company that direction for the simple reason that it will affect my own pocketbook. That raise and bonus TA will be gone and we'll get a pay cut from the court instead. No more how concessionary some of you argue the current deal is, a deal in bankruptcy is guaranteed to be worse. No one wins except the lawyers.


I agree with you
 

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