Large Airbus aircraft

[Ukridge]

I know this will probably not please those with a lip upcurled in constant sneer or mouths agape in mute hatred of all things European, but it seems as if Airbus and the Star Alliance (through Singapore) have "come to terms" if you will. Another 380 order and a push for the 350 XWB.
Now from what the popular sentiment seems to be, United - the airline desirous to be virtual instead of actual, will be sitting out of such acquisition activity, but it does add an interesting mix to its Star partners.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...&refer=asia

Frankly, I am enjoying watching the pendulum swing back and forth between the two airplane manufacturers.

 

[jbguppy]

I know this will probably not please those with a lip upcurled in constant sneer or mouths agape in mute hatred of all things European, but it seems as if Airbus and the Star Alliance (through Singapore) have "come to terms" if you will. Another 380 order and a push for the 350 XWB.
Now from what the popular sentiment seems to be, United - the airline desirous to be virtual instead of actual, will be sitting out of such acquisition activity, but it does add an interesting mix to its Star partners.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...&refer=asia

Frankly, I am enjoying watching the pendulum swing back and forth between the two airplane manufacturers.

OK,
so Singapore ordered some more airplanes from Airbus, what exactly does that have to do with STAR alliance???

JBG

 

[jbguppy]

I know this will probably not please those with a lip upcurled in constant sneer or mouths agape in mute hatred of all things European, but it seems as if Airbus and the Star Alliance (through Singapore) have "come to terms" if you will. Another 380 order and a push for the 350 XWB.
Now from what the popular sentiment seems to be, United - the airline desirous to be virtual instead of actual, will be sitting out of such acquisition activity, but it does add an interesting mix to its Star partners.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...&refer=asia

Frankly, I am enjoying watching the pendulum swing back and forth between the two airplane manufacturers.

Frankly, your swing of the pendulum may just be your overactive imagination.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060722/wl_uk...panyeadsgermany

JBG

 

[JetClipper]

I know this will probably not please those with a lip upcurled in constant sneer or mouths agape in mute hatred of all things European, but it seems as if Airbus and the Star Alliance (through Singapore) have "come to terms" if you will. Another 380 order and a push for the 350 XWB.
Now from what the popular sentiment seems to be, United - the airline desirous to be virtual instead of actual, will be sitting out of such acquisition activity, but it does add an interesting mix to its Star partners.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...&refer=asia

Frankly, I am enjoying watching the pendulum swing back and forth between the two airplane manufacturers.

I’m curious what Singapore will use the A350s for, particularly considering that they placed an order for the same number of 787s not long ago. All I can think of is they will replace some of SQ’s early-model 777s, which will be 15 or so years old by the time the A350 enters service (downright ancient by Singapore standards).

 

[whatkindoffreshhell]

SQ's CEO was one of the first to order both the A380 and the initial draft of the A350.

He also told Airbus to overhaul their A350 specs. So EADS complied.

Now Airbus is going to offer three versions of the new A350 to compete against both the 787 and 777.

Since EADS owes a penalty to SQ for late A380 deliveries they simply converted the penalties into a discount on new planes.

Of course this order is dependent upon EADS' approving the new A350 for manufacture.

I doubt this new A350 will ever fly. Probably SQ does too.

Can you imagine if Boeing was simultaneously developing and trying to sell both the 747 and 777 --- and both planes were waaaay over budget and not performing as promised!

Plus Boeing does not have the backing of the French government.

Dieter Zietsche is correct --- dump all your EADS stock!

 

[Ukridge]

OK,
so Singapore ordered some more airplanes from Airbus, what exactly does that have to do with STAR alliance???

JBG

And 'ere me was just thinking me was making progress with me letters. The missus says to me that 'here might be a chance for me to learn me reading after all. So 'ere me was, looking at this site
http://www.staralliance.com/star_alliance/...me/main_10.html and me starts to thinks that me sees Singapore as part of the Star Alliance. So me thinks to meself that maybe if Singapore buys airplanes then ergo propter hoc the Star Alliance has more airplanes. But what does me know? 'Literacy' me mum always told me. 'ell me may get there someday.

 

[novaqt]

And 'ere me was just thinking me was making progress with me letters. The missus says to me that 'here might be a chance for me to learn me reading after all. So 'ere me was, looking at this site
http://www.staralliance.com/star_alliance/...me/main_10.html and me starts to thinks that me sees Singapore as part of the Star Alliance. So me thinks to meself that maybe if Singapore buys airplanes then ergo propter hoc the Star Alliance has more airplanes. But what does me know? 'Literacy' me mum always told me. 'ell me may get there someday.

Ukridge, you are funny!

 

[jbguppy]

And 'ere me was just thinking me was making progress with me letters. The missus says to me that 'here might be a chance for me to learn me reading after all. So 'ere me was, looking at this site
http://www.staralliance.com/star_alliance/...me/main_10.html and me starts to thinks that me sees Singapore as part of the Star Alliance. So me thinks to meself that maybe if Singapore buys airplanes then ergo propter hoc the Star Alliance has more airplanes. But what does me know? 'Literacy' me mum always told me. 'ell me may get there someday.

I know that EADS continuous failures are a sore spot for you on the East side of the pond.

Try to deal with it without losing your incredibly amazing use of the english language.

We shall all aspire to your level of sprinkling hillbilly and latin together in a vain attempt to make yourself look much more intelligent than you really are...

JBG

 

[JetClipper]

I know that EADS continuous failures are a sore spot for you on the East side of the pond.

Try to deal with it without losing your incredibly amazing use of the english language.

We shall all aspire to your level of sprinkling hillbilly and latin together in a vain attempt to make yourself look much more intelligent than you really are...

JBG

jbguppy:

Your attacking Ukridge is completely uncalled for. All he’s suggesting (correct me if I’m wrong) is that Star has talked in the past about joint aircraft purchases. Given Airbus’ strong desire to sign-up customers for the revamped A350, this might be a golden opportunity for alliance members to leverage their joint buying power and get deeper discounts on what could be an excellent airplane (Singapore wouldn’t have signed up for the A350 if they didn’t believe it was going to be worthwhile). I’m not sure where it would fit any alliance members’ fleet, although United will need to start thinking about a 767 replacement soon.

 

[Ukridge]

JetClipper, you are indeed correct as to what I was trying to express. Singapore as a member of the Star and for some reason thought it in the firm's best interests to make an additional order from Airbus. As Whatkind remarked, whether these aircraft will be delivered and on what schedule is what only the future will reveal.
Jbguppy, As a passanger I simply enjoy watching the back and forth between the two aircraft manufacturers. I do know for instance that I prefer to ride in an A340 than I do a 767 and that I very much like the ride in the upstairs of a 747 (although my chances to frequent such climes are rare). If observation of this competition is the sign of an overactive imagination I would doubt your diagnosis. I cannot help but be struck by (not necessarily you) the near venom that I see lashed out at Airbus. If democratically elected governments 'seed' (and indeed they have) EADS/Airbus that is their choice. We all know that this case is being taken to the WTO which will be the arbiter. If EADS is found to have run afoul, then this concept of governmental 'seeding' will have not payed off. Additionally, and more importantly, the quality of the Airbus product will be the true arbiter. The market will decide if the product merits share. If it is Boeing that builds the better product at a more lucrative price, then it will prevail. If one really wished to attack an EU subsidy program, the time would be much better spent on trying to reduce farm subsidies - just as it probably would in the U.S.
I am not sure what 'hillbilly' is but if you have ever ventured anywhere near the East End of London you would recognize the speech. On the other hand if you have never been there it is certainly not a place to plan a holiday!
As for the Latin, phrases such as this are sprinkled througout our writing and conversation. This phrase of 'therefore because of this' has a fine implication of something that readily appears as the result of the antecedent action and one has little doubt of the the connection. Of course it takes a whole sentence to describe it as such so why not just use the three words that any reader of the better British newspaper would easily recognize? B)
Cheers

 

[jbguppy]

jbguppy:

Your attacking Ukridge is completely uncalled for. All he’s suggesting (correct me if I’m wrong) is that Star has talked in the past about joint aircraft purchases. Given Airbus’ strong desire to sign-up customers for the revamped A350, this might be a golden opportunity for alliance members to leverage their joint buying power and get deeper discounts on what could be an excellent airplane (Singapore wouldn’t have signed up for the A350 if they didn’t believe it was going to be worthwhile). I’m not sure where it would fit any alliance members’ fleet, although United will need to start thinking about a 767 replacement soon.

OK,
I will go back to my original point. STAR is a good alliance, however...it in no way drives who buys what from whom, and that is the fallacy of UK's original post. He inferred that Star (through singapore) had "come to terms" with Airbus. He also says there is a pendulum swing occuring between EADS and Boeing - not true Boeing is crushing EADS now. It is only a single purchase by a single airline that happens to be a Star alliance member. To make more of it is not true.

As much difficulty as EADS is having, I believe there is no way UAL would have anything to do with the A380 or 350. The economics of the 380 outside of Cargo are very questionable to me.

The purchasing habits of Singapore should have no bearing on UAL's talks with either Airbus or Boeing. We have a lot of 320's/319's (about 152) and probably will get another 42 over the next several years. That being said, Boeing simply provides a better product and it is shows in many ways. I will say I like the cabin of the 320 over the older 737, but the 320 experiences many hydraulic problems.

In my opinion, there is no advantage to buying from EADS unless they offer a steep discount - and then really only in the narrow body lines. Why do you think UAL bought the 320 over the 737 NG? We got a much cheaper price.

Show me a Major US passenger carrier that is buying Airbus bigger than the 320?? (I am aware of the cargo purchases of the 380)

I think UAL will buy more 777's and the 787 in the future.


JBG

PS - Star has talked about common specifications, but aircraft sharing and joint purchases are pure speculation at this point.

 

[jbguppy]

JetClipper, you are indeed correct as to what I was trying to express. Singapore as a member of the Star and for some reason thought it in the firm's best interests to make an additional order from Airbus. As Whatkind remarked, whether these aircraft will be delivered and on what schedule is what only the future will reveal.
Jbguppy, As a passanger I simply enjoy watching the back and forth between the two aircraft manufacturers. I do know for instance that I prefer to ride in an A340 than I do a 767 and that I very much like the ride in the upstairs of a 747 (although my chances to frequent such climes are rare). If observation of this competition is the sign of an overactive imagination I would doubt your diagnosis. I cannot help but be struck by (not necessarily you) the near venom that I see lashed out at Airbus. If democratically elected governments 'seed' (and indeed they have) EADS/Airbus that is their choice. We all know that this case is being taken to the WTO which will be the arbiter. If EADS is found to have run afoul, then this concept of governmental 'seeding' will have not payed off. Additionally, and more importantly, the quality of the Airbus product will be the true arbiter. The market will decide if the product merits share. If it is Boeing that builds the better product at a more lucrative price, then it will prevail. If one really wished to attack an EU subsidy program, the time would be much better spent on trying to reduce farm subsidies - just as it probably would in the U.S.
I am not sure what 'hillbilly' is but if you have ever ventured anywhere near the East End of London you would recognize the speech. On the other hand if you have never been there it is certainly not a place to plan a holiday!
As for the Latin, phrases such as this are sprinkled througout our writing and conversation. This phrase of 'therefore because of this' has a fine implication of something that readily appears as the result of the antecedent action and one has little doubt of the the connection. Of course it takes a whole sentence to describe it as such so why not just use the three words that any reader of the better British newspaper would easily recognize? B)
Cheers

Thanks for the interesting reply, and I agree with you on subsidies, and that true market forces will prevail.

As far as East London, I only lived in England for 3 to 4 years. While not a native, I am much more familiar with both the lingo and the areas you speak of than most who live in the USA.

I also can claim being drunk in London and stuttering like a hillbilly on more than one occasion!!

Good Day,

JBG

 

[Ukridge]

As a point of correction, I stated that if EADS is found to have run afoul then the WTO will find against them. I believe technically in this case it is more the national entity or state that can be found to have been outside of the existing trade agreements. I know this sounds wordy, but the second complaint to the WTO by the Americans arose over a small grant by the Welsh Assembly (there is a factory at Broughton). It would not be the Brougton plant per se that would be in the wrong, but rather the Welsh Assembly.
Surprisingly, the WTO is one world orginization with some bite so it will be interesting to see how this plays out if it comes to litigation.