Leader Throws Carrot To Employees

[linemech]

One company executive, who spoke on the condition that he not be identified, said Siegel offered no specifics on potential cost cuts even though unions expect the company to seek more concessions.

The official also said Siegel, in fact, wants to expand the carrier's mainline fleet by up to 60 planes if it can lower costs. US Airways' mainline fleet is frozen at 279 since bankruptcy and expanding it would be an important factor for pilots.


Once again Siegel throws a carrot to employees with no word of his own to employees.

Siegel offers no specifics but does allow "unnamed company executive" to leak
info about 60 carrots for lower costs.

When will this so called leader stand up and speak to the employees that he needs to turn this airline around without telling them what needs to be done but offering no solution? :down:

 

[USFlyer]

60 mainline planes to operate where?! Another hub? Point to point service? Additional international service to Europe and South America plus additional domestic flying from the hubs? I don't believe any of these leaks until they happen. As Chip has proven over and over, most of this stuff never comes to fruition.

 

[Light Years]

They'll probably use them to open two new hubs in Latrobe, PA and Wlmington, DE.

 

[AOG-N-IT]

One company executive, who spoke on the condition that he not be identified, said Siegel offered no specifics on potential cost cuts even though unions expect the company to seek more concessions.

The official also said Siegel, in fact, wants to expand the carrier's mainline fleet by up to 60 planes if it can lower costs. US Airways' mainline fleet is frozen at 279 since bankruptcy and expanding it would be an important factor for pilots.


Once again Siegel throws a carrot to employees with no word of his own to employees.

Siegel offers no specifics but does allow "unnamed company executive" to leak
info about 60 carrots for lower costs.

When will this so called leader stand up and speak to the employees that he needs to turn this airline around without telling them what needs to be done but offering no solution? :down:

A bone toss of 60 Acft...from un-known origins could be nice...if and only if they are the right choice in Acft?...a tailor made fit to be exact.

Chip will of course hit us up with more Crap about obtaining UA's tired fleet of B767-222's that are a proven mis-match to our B767-200ER Fleet in numerous respects...not to mention the feeble ramblings of A319/320's comng over from UA that would be a complete fiasco for all the same reasons

However...If more acft equals fewer employee's and lower wages? I fill certain that we will not have to worry abut any of this taking place to begin with.

Lets say for arguement sake that we do obtain 60 Acft via slight work rule adjustments that does not cripple any labor group involved ...a stretch I know but lets say it happens for a moment.

60 Acft added to a current fleet of 279 inclussive of the "Outsource Hostages" in GYR , that brings us to 339 mythical Acft.

WN the 6th largest US Carrier has a fleet of 387 and growing....that's a defecit of 48 Acft in todays terms....this still keeps US #7 on the national scale with a diverse fleet that adds costs on a monumental scale. Chip's hypothetical scenarios only worsens this fact by about an added 30% by conservative estimates

With all this in mind...the work rule changes would have to be sweeping to say the very least to make this happen....one can only conclude that my version of the ideal fleet would not only exclude UA assests being sought...it would also show that it would be less envasive in terms of Employee concessions un-inclusive of feared lay-offs or W-2 give-backs to make it happen..simple productivity issues could be resolved ...beyond that , All bets are off....clear the table !!!

 

[Light Years]

Totally off the wall, but wasnt there some talk of Swiss either halting ops or returning some of thier fleet? A219/A320/A321, A332/A333, A340?

Again, just out interest, do airlines make a habit of aquiring the same aircraft with different engines? Say an airline has 100 A320s, 70 with one engine type, 30 with the other. Those 30 are basically another fleet type? Can they be re-engined? Perhaps a mechanic or someone more technically minded could explain for us?

Aircraft count doesnt mean much towards headcount. 300 747s and 300 RJs result in different employee counts. I'd be more interested to hear how many human beings that are on the U recall list would be involved.

 

[AOG-N-IT]

Totally off the wall, but wasnt there some talk of Swiss either halting ops or returning some of thier fleet? A219/A320/A321, A332/A333, A340?

Again, just out interest, do airlines make a habit of aquiring the same aircraft with different engines? Say an airline has 100 A320s, 70 with one engine type, 30 with the other. Those 30 are basically another fleet type? Can they be re-engined? Perhaps a mechanic or someone more technically minded could explain for us?

Aircraft count doesnt mean much towards headcount. 300 747s and 300 RJs result in different employee counts. I'd be more interested to hear how many human beings that are on the U recall list would be involved.

Airlines have endured this via mergers in the past...but it has a dramatic impact on operations , maintenance , training and crew pairings....all eat at the bottom line issues.

Nobody knowingly goes out for such a situation beyond one classic example that I know of. UPS when the first took delivery of the B757-200PF's started out with the Rolls-Royce RB211-535E4's like we have...they were later cut a better deal via Pratt and Whitney...and future deliveries came with those Pratts hanging on them.

UPS flies comparatively little on a daily basis compared to a passenger operation..so this is not such a bite on them...but for us it would be near tragic ...and a complete reversal in the intended method of resuming profitablity.

To Re-Engine and Acft would be a costly venture...Engine to Wing Pylons do not enter-change <---Structural Mods equal big money...wiring issues , cockpit instrumentation issues would have to be addressed....then you would also see some changes in weiht and balance and CG concerns that would have to be plotted.

By and large it would be cheaper to pick up a natural match from the desert and do a cosmetic overhaul vs. a sweeping mechanical makeover , then a cosmetic over-haul ta-boot

 

[PITbull]

What I'm thinking is that with ALPA setting the stage demanding resignation of Dave and Neal, put enough pressure on mangement to perhpaps rethink concessions by employees. If they are going to add 60 planes to "mainline" this isactually the first positive news I've heard in two years.

Bravo to ALPA and management for the plan of growing "mainline".

This, I can handle. Just hopes its not a "smoke screen".

 

[Light Years]

If this is true (I find I say that alot here!) it is positive. Any mainline growth, job saved or brought back is positive.

But is this just a rumour? Will we hear a confirmation of this? What is the source of the piece in blue at the top of this post---is it from an article?

PITbull, what is the current "rough ratio" of FAs per a/c? How many FAs would 60 planes theoretically bring back?

 

[AOG-N-IT]

What I'm thinking is that with ALPA setting the stage demanding resignation of Dave and Neal, put enough pressure on mangement to perhpas rethink concessions by employees. If they are going to add 60 planes to "mainline" this isactually the first positive news I've heard in two years.

Bravo to ALPA and management for the plan of growing "mainline".

This, I can handle. Just hopes its not a "smoke screen".

PITBull,

Smoke screen or not....if the 60 planes are not the ideal logistical addition...all precieved value goes right down the tubes....money burned is money lost...and you cannot regain anything in realistic terms once it's lost for good.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Who broke the news about 60 aircraft last night on this website?

Regards,

Chip

 

[700UW]

ME ME ME ME ME!

Everyone LOOK AT ME, I KNOW IT ALL.

GROW UP SHAQ

Oh by the way, where is it official from US Airways or any union that we will add 60 airplanes?

 

[Pacemaker]

I like Chip would like to know the source of this "statement".

60 planes - it made no mention of whether these would be mainline aircraft additions or merely another 60 EMB-145's.

 

[AOG-N-IT]

Who broke the news about 60 aircraft last night on this website?

Regards,

Chip

Don't go breaking your arm patting yourself on the back yet Chip....to this point it's pure conjecture from un-named sources...and We all know your record on quoting those.

If your version of a a 60 fleet gain comes to pass?....color us gone regardless , we will have in fact invented new orifices to bleed from...another self-inflicted wound to a dying patient

 

[PITbull]

If this is true (I find I say that alot here!) it is positive. Any mainline growth, job saved or brought back is positive.

But is this just a rumour? Will we hear a confirmation of this?

PITbull, what is the currenr "rough ratio" of FAs per a/c? How many FAs would 60 planes theoretically bring back?

LIght,

60 planes would bring back between 1200 and 1400 f/as. This can't be true. I believe they will furlough in January.

 

[kiloromeo]

this is the first page from the legacy carrier play book.. page 1- scratch my back and I'll scratch yours..page 2 - the carrier within the carrier , page 3 -sell the company , page 4 - go chapter 11, page 5 - exit chap 11 then go to page 1 and repeat as many times as you can find an idiot to fund page 4.

....the rub is that in order to get the 60 planes, work rules will have to change such that relatively few people will be brought back for the 60 aircraft....then Dave can get the employee per aircraft ratio to where the LCCs are..