Lettering on Widebodies

[LukeAisleWalker]

I get what your saying, but seriously in the bigger picture of things its not the end of the world. And no matter what paint job, NWA people are going to speak out against it anyways as the aircraft was the flagship of the NWA fleet... not so much for DAL.

Design is always highly subjective, some will like, some will not. I would rather money be used elsewhere then to spruce up a old tired and inefficient aircraft that will most likely meet the boneyard in a few years anyway.

Don't even try to speak for everyone at Delta. SomeDL employees have been here since DL flew the 747 in the '70s and are glad to see it back in our fleet again. The 744 is about the same age as most of our 767ERs. In fact, some are probably younger. You don't even understand that the -400 version of this aircraft didn't enter service until the late 80s and was delivered throughout the 1990s---younger than the majority of DL's 757 fleet.
I'll tell you one thing...you have really absorbed the "divide and conquer" mentality. From your postings, I seriously wonder how you're going to fare with this merger. All I see is us vs. them.
Do you even have a life or is all your self-esteem tied up in being an unwavering supporter of current Delta Mgt? Wait a minute.....you aren't even doing that right. DL mgt wants us to welcome our NW peers and all you can do is spend every day of the week arguing with them on this forum and calling their a/c rust buckets.

 

[dapoes]

Don't even try to speak for everyone at Delta. SomeDL employees have been here since DL flew the 747 in the '70s and are glad to see it back in our fleet again. The 744 is about the same age as most of our 767ERs. In fact, some are probably younger. You don't even understand that the -400 version of this aircraft didn't enter service until the late 80s and was delivered throughout the 1990s---younger than the majority of DL's 757 fleet.
I'll tell you one thing...you have really absorbed the "divide and conquer" mentality. From your postings, I seriously wonder how you're going to fare with this merger. All I see is us vs. them.
Do you even have a life or is all your self-esteem tied up in being an unwavering supporter of current Delta Mgt? Wait a minute.....you aren't even doing that right. DL mgt wants us to welcome our NW peers and all you can do is spend every day of the week arguing with them on this forum and calling their a/c rust buckets.

Divide and Conquer? That pretty rich coming from you Luke. You and some others here are grand champions of the "dump on DAL" and us vs them mentality since day one. So much so, you find any reason (even a font size LOL) to find something new to complain/whine about. So you could say it gets very old after awhile.

 

[Dignity]

Don't even try to speak for everyone at Delta. SomeDL employees have been here since DL flew the 747 in the '70s and are glad to see it back in our fleet again. The 744 is about the same age as most of our 767ERs. In fact, some are probably younger. You don't even understand that the -400 version of this aircraft didn't enter service until the late 80s and was delivered throughout the 1990s---younger than the majority of DL's 757 fleet.
I'll tell you one thing...you have really absorbed the "divide and conquer" mentality. From your postings, I seriously wonder how you're going to fare with this merger. All I see is us vs. them.
Do you even have a life or is all your self-esteem tied up in being an unwavering supporter of current Delta Mgt? Wait a minute.....you aren't even doing that right. DL mgt wants us to welcome our NW peers and all you can do is spend every day of the week arguing with them on this forum and calling their a/c rust buckets.

Luke,
The entire 747-200 passenger fleet was retired in the early fall of 2007, with the exception of two 747-200 that are used for charters. Originally the former 747 had a spiral staircase(positioned at door 1) in the mid with a galley right behind(which most of your group who flew that aircraft more than likely remember), the 747-400 has a straight staircase that is positioned at door 2 (and a elevator/lift) that enables carts to be moved from the main deck to the upper deck and vice versa.. the upper deck is highly requested per my experience by customers, and once cross training is complete surely will be a senior position when that aircraft is available for bid!

the 747-200 aircraft was configured with three class of service offering First Class (Regal Imperial Service.. at the time I was hired)..12 Upper Deck seats and Coach. Today.. the 747-400/international widebody fleet..for marketing purposes with KLM..(first and business was incorporated as known widely today ..WBC) which is a highly desirable product and offers an exclusive feel(especially in the upper deck) on the 747-400. The new seats are wonderful, the technology in that cabin is praised, it is competitive, coach needs to be updated... today it is in a blue color scheme with bulkhead mounted IFE/video monitors positioned at select positions in coach ...however its not orange and brown camouflage interior with pull-down screens either!!
Individual seatback monitors are now becoming in demand(sign of the times)...an upgrade is necessary, which I am sure some 767 may need as well...

The 747-400 began operating in 1989 being the launch customer for the "new" 747-400(they all were not delivered in 1989 though) as delivery continued for years after.. I remember flying that aircraft for the first time and the overwhelming feeling I had when I first stepped onboard(because of how spacious and how many seats were available) and how proud I was then...and today.

It is not just an aircraft to most people, it is also rich part of our history that we will bring with us to you...and will work together as a team going forward.

 

[Kev3188]

...and it is still amazing how even having gone thru the BK process alongside NW, that NW continues to enjoy better benefits than the non-union DL co-workers. Inclusive in the better benefits are medical insurance, oji, and sick time. Definitely worth the dues. I pay my car insurance hoping that I may never need it, but if I do, it's there...I have a contract on my mortgage, my car loan, and my cell phone. I would like to retain a contract on the job to pay for the my belongings that I have the contracts on!

Amen.

Even the illustrious leaders of DL/NW stated that the combination of the two would result in the best of both companies. Put that DL "industry standard pay" and those GREAT NW bennies in a legally binding document!

That'd be nice, but it would require Anderson, et al. to put their money where their mouths are, and that's not their style.

Nope not even close in comparison to the damage UAW has done upon the auto industry. We will see whats left after Bush sliced open that sow today and (union-hugger) Obama will soon gut whats left of the UAW pig.

You spend a lot of time complaining about the UAW, but never the management whose signatures are also on the CBAs. It was also management that put those companies into a flat spin, not so much the workers.

While I'm at it, are you so busy bashing the working men/women that you can't stop to ask why Cerberus Capital (owner of Chrysler) isn't being asked to put up any of their own money before we the taxpayers do?

Is it also like how Northwest "loaned" Andy Roberts to Habitat for Humanity yet NWA still pays his salary!?

Poor Habitat....

the only comment I will make is simply I hope that humanity and altruism was learned, appreciated and importantly...applied.

giving without the constant need of self-recognition, reward..or bonus, can be a gift in itself..

some people will never comprehend or fully understand what that is all about in their lifetime, and that is sadly tragic.

Don't hold your breath on that one. Roberts is quite possibly the biggest jackass I've ever met while at NW. Few people are as unctuous as little Andy.

I'll tell you one thing...you have really absorbed the "divide and conquer" mentality. From your postings, I seriously wonder how you're going to fare with this merger. All I see is us vs. them.
Do you even have a life or is all your self-esteem tied up in being an unwavering supporter of current Delta Mgt? Wait a minute.....you aren't even doing that right. DL mgt wants us to welcome our NW peers and all you can do is spend every day of the week arguing with them on this forum and calling their a/c rust buckets.

Luke, get ready for a Youtube clip to be posted as a feeble rebuttal.

Divide and Conquer? That pretty rich coming from you Luke. You and some others here are grand champions of the "dump on DAL" and us vs them mentality since day one. So much so, you find any reason (even a font size LOL) to find something new to complain/whine about. So you could say it gets very old after awhile.

The paint scheme is ugly. Moreso on widebodies. Period. Does DL pay Citgo royalties for use of their logo?

My vote is/was for the original Widget. If that's "dumping on DL," then so be it. But your idea of keeping money for other things is a good one; I don't have any problem with the NW A/C keeping their own paint scheme for the medium/long term.

 

[Dignity]

Divide and Conquer? That pretty rich coming from you Luke. You and some others here are grand champions of the "dump on DAL" and us vs them mentality since day one. So much so, you find any reason (even a font size LOL) to find something new to complain/whine about. So you could say it gets very old after awhile.

I am quite sure you are professional in appearance, well groomed, and more than likely excel in your career, are on time and meet expectations..you do though seem to come across resentful(that does not mean you are because I can see you are in agreement on some select issues) just an observation of your unique style..all I can gather is what is made available by comments, I do not know you, and quite frankly you may be a very nice person but come across..unknowingly...another way.

is it because you may believe some are not going to meet expectations...or attempt to change something you do not want... or feel as though some do not respect your culture?

in order to maintain open communications...it is imperative that people in general should understand that someone may feel the need that "something" needs to be changed. that is different perspective, ideas, concerns...and no company wants all "yes" people working for them...sometimes something needs to be addressed, sometimes people need to stop and question, sometimes...its necessary to have a different opinion(even if it comes across opposing)...it will all correlate to balance when all is said and done..

are we all not imperfect? do you honestly believe that everything/decision is always right?
and that a mere suggestion of a font size is not necessarily "dumping on DAL" but merely attempting to voice a concern, suggestion, or a need to change something based simply on the fact...direct relationship is supposed to rule the day?

I am going to make another comment about that font size...you know...for technical reasons it may be necessary for that name and logo to be that size and placement for reasons that are unknown to others...its possible..because of maintenance, cost factors or simply, it was the only place that would fit the incorporated logo/brand name.

the end result is professional regardless, but merely commenting or suggesting another way does not imply anything other than simply concern.

There are going to be times when groups are not going to agree..or be able to give or take advice...

but! let us consider giving and taking advice graciously(or at least try).

what is special about Flight Attendants..all of us..(in my observations) some may not see eye to eye at all on certain issues.. yet come together as a crew and work well together.. as a team and giving the customer a valuable and memorable flight experience based on excellent service and professionalism...
so Dapoes... thank you in advance for being a team player and continued working well together as a crew focusing on future success for all. 🙂

 

[LukeAisleWalker]

The paint scheme is ugly. Moreso on widebodies. Period. Does DL pay Citgo royalties for use of their logo?

My vote is/was for the original Widget. If that's "dumping on DL," then so be it. But your idea of keeping money for other things is a good one; I don't have any problem with the NW A/C keeping their own paint scheme for the medium/long term.

It's interesting about the advertising community. I remember back when they repainted the a/c the first time (getting rid of the long-held widget red, white and blue widget design)--they said a company's logo should never be altered. In other words, it should not be slanted, tilted, etc...So, these geniuses, after all those years, decided that DL's (very successful) 35- year livery should be redone because the widget on the tail was slanted (what some called the Star-Trek design). And what do we have now on the tail?? Thaaat's riiighht...a tilted widget, and chopped-off at that!! LOL
I actually like this paintjob the best of the three that have been tried the last 10 years. I'm not sure if they used Landor this time or not but I don't mind it. It's just, back to the original title of the thread, a company's name should be bold, not wimpy.

Dapoes--You don't grasp the idea that many people who appear (to you) to be dumping on the company actually CARE about their company and want it to be the BEST (not industry standard) it can be. They want their role in that company to be the BEST it can be. They want to reach for the BEST...work rules, pay, benefits and yes, even the image the company portrays to the world. It's called taking PRIDE in where you work.
I think people like you (the proverbial "Yes-men") actually do their company more harm than good because everything the company does, to you, is great, rah-rah and in that, there is nothing to learn, nothing to strive for...it can be a one-way ticket to mediocrity.

 

[dapoes]

It's interesting about the advertising community. I remember back when they repainted the a/c the first time (getting rid of the long-held widget red, white and blue widget design)--they said a company's logo should never be altered.

That is really old school views from the early days of marketing and advertising. As time passes companies need to re-brand, update, reinvent their image to keep up with the current times. If not they suffer from stale image in the public view. It happens all the time, trust me as most of the 90's and early 2000's I was in the marketing/ad business for years.

Dapoes--You don't grasp the idea that many people who appear (to you) to be dumping on the company actually CARE about their company and want it to be the BEST (not industry standard) it can be. They want their role in that company to be the BEST it can be. They want to reach for the BEST...work rules, pay, benefits and yes, even the image the company portrays to the world. It's called taking PRIDE in where you work.
I think people like you (the proverbial "Yes-men") actually do their company more harm than good because everything the company does, to you, is great, rah-rah and in that, there is nothing to learn, nothing to strive for...it can be a one-way ticket to mediocrity.

Im hardly what you would consider a yes-WOMAN. In fact me and my big mouth have always been quite vocal and I do not agree with everything DAL does. I am always very vocal about my views bet it pro or against anything. Its just your view of me as I do not conform to the rest of the DAL haters here.

 

[LukeAisleWalker]

Im hardly what you would consider a yes-WOMAN. In fact me and my big mouth have always been quite vocal and I do not agree with everything DAL does. I am always very vocal about my views bet it pro or against anything. Its just your view of me as I do not conform to the rest of the DAL haters here.

SHE tells the truth <?>
Please tell us ONE, just ONE thing you disagree with that DAL does, why you disagree with it and what you would do to try to change it.

 

[Kev3188]

That is really old school views from the early days of marketing and advertising. As time passes companies need to re-brand, update, reinvent their image to keep up with the current times. If not they suffer from stale image in the public view.

While I agree with you (gasp) on that for some brands, other logos are iconic/recognized the world over, and to redo them is regressive. An obvious example would be Coke. I'd also throw in McDonalds, and a few others in with that.

While not in the same strata as those companies, I would say that both the "old" NWA logo and the Widget fall into the same category. I know our old compass logo garnered many awards in the ad world for it's visibility, effectiveness, etc.

It happens all the time, trust me as most of the 90's and early 2000's I was in the marketing/ad business for years.

How long have you been at DL, then? I was under the impression that you had been there for quite a long time?

Im hardly what you would consider a yes-WOMAN. In fact me and my big mouth have always been quite vocal and I do not agree with everything DAL does. I am always very vocal about my views bet it pro or against anything. Its just your view of me as I do not conform to the rest of the DAL haters here.

SHE tells the truth <?>
Please tell us ONE, just ONE thing you disagree with that DAL does, why you disagree with it and what you would do to try to change it.

I would also genuinely like to hear some examples.

 

[dapoes]

While I agree with you (gasp) on that for some brands, other logos are iconic/recognized the world over, and to redo them is regressive. An obvious example would be Coke. I'd also throw in McDonalds, and a few others in with that.

While not in the same strata as those companies, I would say that both the "old" NWA logo and the Widget fall into the same category. I know our old compass logo garnered many awards in the ad world for it's visibility, effectiveness, etc.

What you are referring to is a change in identity that the majority of consumers no longer identifies as the previous company (unintentionally). That is not so good. I don't think the consumer is confused that the new delta identity is lost from the old.

How long have you been at DL, then? I was under the impression that you had been there for quite a long time?

Just a couple of years. Shortly after college (UCLA) I went into marketing and advertising and that evolved into IT security/new media during the the late 90's till the dot bomb burst. Took time off and had a wonderful daughter and then got talked into being a FA.

 

[2BlacknBlue]

While I agree with you (gasp) on that for some brands, other logos are iconic/recognized the world over, and to redo them is regressive. An obvious example would be Coke. I'd also throw in McDonalds, and a few others in with that.

While not in the same strata as those companies, I would say that both the "old" NWA logo and the Widget fall into the same category. I know our old compass logo garnered many awards in the ad world for it's visibility, effectiveness, etc.





How long have you been at DL, then? I was under the impression that you had been there for quite a long time?









I would also genuinely like to hear some examples.

...and while you're answering questions:

It IS the case! O.K., I'll play along but riddle me this. After the January 2009 increase, there will be DL workgroups that continue to be 17% below the "industry standard". When will the next increase be and at what increase interval is DL going to ensure that these employees are at "industry standard" by December 31, 2010?

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Please place your answer here and do not look at other students papers.

 

[dapoes]

I would also genuinely like to hear some examples.

Well the medical insurance could be better that's for sure.

 

[2BlacknBlue]

Well the medical insurance could be better that's for sure.

Well, if you don't like the medical insurance at the company you work for then you should just LEAVE! YOUR sense of entitlement should lead you to pursue other avenues such as starting your own business, yada yada yada, giggity giggity goo!

WOOO! Sorry, I just couldn't resist trying your shoes on for size!


hey!!!! who poured me this tall glass of kool-aid? 😱

 

[dapoes]

Well, if you don't like the medical insurance at the company you work for then you should just LEAVE! YOUR sense of entitlement should lead you to pursue other avenues such as starting your own business, yada yada yada, giggity giggity goo!

WOOO! Sorry, I just couldn't resist trying your shoes on for size!

giggity giggity goo to you too!

 

[DalMD88]

Why is medical coverage even tied to whom you work for? How did companies in this country ever get in the medical and pension coverage? That is an argument for someother thread.

Now back to paint...I also dislike this Citgo widget and yes I think the Delta title gets lost on the widebodies.