Little-Conley Article

[Hopeful]

http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/03/20/2053859/airline-transport-workers-forced.html

 

[TWU informer]

http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/03/20/2053859/airline-transport-workers-forced.html

What a bunch of whining and snibbling.

The TWU negotiated the 2003 concessions in exchange for jobs. It was the union's choice remember?

Jim Little even signed off on the agreement after making public statements that the only way to have a legitimate agreement is to re-vote. Without further ratification as I remember it. Then he pounded his chest about the "early opener" option. That early opener option really came in handy didn't it Jim.

Meanwhile, we still have 150+ members playing management in the working together union busting scam. And in fact the TWU has T/A'd the contract language promising more working together. Quit whining and stop participation if you really feel we are not getting a return for our efforts.

Publishing an Article and crying like that in Public, while behind closed doors you still lick the company boot is an embarrasment to us all.

Go hire some professional negotiators and lawyers and quit your whimpering. Local 514 alone spends enough money on free hockey, basketball, baseball, arena football, big splash parties, and labor festivals to cover the cost of some professional representation so the embarrassment will end.

If you are stupid enough to trust that the company would rollover and give you rewards for working together without an agreement requiring that reward you are getting what you deserve. What kind of fool union would trust the company without and agreement or contract? That is exactly why we have to have a labor agreement to begin with, because you cannot trust them to do the right thing without the contract.

I am ashamed to even admit I am a member of this organization and its cowardly unprofessional ways. How sad.

 

[Duke787]

As aviation consultant Michael Boyd wrote recently on TheStreet.com, "the TWU is one of the most rational, forward-thinking unions out there, and yet they are at the end of their rope -- American management has to address that."

This part of the article says it all, and it's a good thing that guys like the twu informer just sit on the sidelines and complain, and aren't responsible for anything.

 

[TWU informer]

As aviation consultant Michael Boyd wrote recently on TheStreet.com, "the TWU is one of the most rational, forward-thinking unions out there, and yet they are at the end of their rope -- American management has to address that."

This part of the article says it all, and it's a good thing that guys like the twu informer just sit on the sidelines and complain, and aren't responsible for anything.

One paragraph "says it all" to you? And from someone not even directly involved.
Do you honestly believe that when it is said by a consultant and then printed on a website then it must be true? Should read "the TWU is one of the most Docile, Company Unions out there, that is only on AA property by virtue of preventing a membership vote to remove them".

Read the Article again and tell us WHO is complaining.

And I have plenty of responsibility on a daily basis thank you.

 

[TWU informer]

The company made promises that those wage losses would be restored and that workers and managers would "share the pain." Management responded by pocketing $300 million in executive bonuses between 2005 and 2009.

Read more: http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/03/20/2053859/airline-transport-workers-forced.html#ixzz0ilOrmMaL

Isn't that like claiming there was snap back clause?

 

[Duke787]

The twu informer, should be happy that the TWU is at AA, otherwise AA would have turned TUL into AMR services overhauling AA planes for $17 - $25 an hour 24/7, with differant work rules, instead of $30 plus. I would love having the SWA contract, even if that meant losing overhaul maint, after all according to the TWU informer, we have to protect the profession, not save jobs.



Of course I like the fact that we're one big happy family, the twu informer should realize how things could have been if the TWU wasn't so rational. Look at what happened to all the UAL and NWA mechs with AMFA, who talked like the twu informer. I believe they're working in other career fields now. It's hard to protect the profession from the outside looking in.


Maybe the TWU Informer should run for office instead sniping at the elected leaders of the TWU, and eventually go to the TWU international and protect the profession from there.

 

[TWU informer]

I think if you hired into AA Overhaul you make less than $20.00 with an A&P. Take off your insurance premium and out-of-pocket chanrges and it is likely below $10.00

You need to look at the membership and pay as a whole not just your paycheck Duke.

What does the OSM make Duke about $9.00 per hour?

While you praise and worship Jim Little during fear spreading of lower wages, you actually have them at AA already with a huge potential increase in the percentage of lower paid employees on the table.

When are you Kool-Aid drinkers going to visit the truth within your own work force and quit fear mongering about AMFA and what would have been? Playing the AMFA fear card is getting old even amongst the TWU Faithful as we all patiently wait for the next TWU negotiated concession.

Fact is those AMT's working at other airlines stood their ground and/or left the industry rather than match the TWU lowest average pay in the industry. And you seem to fault them for taking the stand. Imagine that!

This thread isn't about me anyway. It is about the Article from TWU Little and Conley and you have not addressed the whining and sniblling they are doing about working together while they cannot seem to extract any reward for doing so. Yet we keep the project going full tilt whilst we complain about the company not recognizing those efforts. Great Leadership? Maybe in your mind? But the membership has never been given a ballot regarding participation in the working together process. Or does membership opinion matter to folks like you?

 

[Hopeful]

I agree, Informer.

Had the TWU played hardball many years ago, we might not be here BEGGING for something we had SEVEN years ago.

Enough is Enough!

 

[Duke787]

http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/03/20/2053859/airline-transport-workers-forced.html

With the TWU being at the point where they are threatning a strike, the company is in the wrong and should fix it, it's not like the TWU is a radical union.

 

[Bob Owens]

I liked the article. It spells out how unreasonable the company has been and its an improvement over anything we've seen in the past.
Sure we can debate the whole issue of concessions but thats been done, I think I've made it clear that I thought the whole 2003 deal was a big mistake, that will never change, but I like how they showed that the Union bent over backwards and the company still wants more. Shows not only the public but our coworkers that concessions are futile and there will be no end if we dont fight back. Surely thats better than just saying "this is not a good time to bargain".

 

[Mr.Robot-tow]

Anthing less than the UPS offer and they too will something else to whine about like a Teamster,s card drive.

 

[Boomer]

I liked the article. It spells out how unreasonable the company has been and its an improvement over anything we've seen in the past.
Sure we can debate the whole issue of concessions but thats been done, I think I've made it clear that I thought the whole 2003 deal was a big mistake, that will never change, but I like how they showed that the Union bent over backwards and the company still wants more. Shows not only the public but our coworkers that concessions are futile and there will be no end if we dont fight back. Surely thats better than just saying "this is not a good time to bargain".

Bob,

The TWU made the arguement in 1983, 1988, 1993, 1995 and 2003 that it was not a good time to bargain: it's always, "We'll Get'em Next Time."

Conley made the arguement recently that the cabin service jobs on the through trips had to be maintained in Fleet Service because older members of the TWU needed those less physically exhausting jobs at the end of their careers.

No one at the TWU argued that the back shops in overhaul should be maintained for aircraft mechanics at the end of their careers. Those jobs are now filled by non-certificated OSM's whose ranks the company wishes to swell by 50% at the overhaul bases and 30% at the line stations.

When is: "We'll Get'em Next Time." All of those that wetted themselves over the Democratic rule of the Presidency, the House and the Senate promised us better days: is it now ?

 

[TWU informer]

I liked the article. It spells out how unreasonable the company has been and its an improvement over anything we've seen in the past.
Sure we can debate the whole issue of concessions but thats been done, I think I've made it clear that I thought the whole 2003 deal was a big mistake, that will never change, but I like how they showed that the Union bent over backwards and the company still wants more. Shows not only the public but our coworkers that concessions are futile and there will be no end if we dont fight back. Surely thats better than just saying "this is not a good time to bargain".

Then why didn't they negotiate an agreement that bending over backwards would lead to something other than this to begin with?