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On 7/16/2003 10:29:04 AM j7915 wrote:
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Buck, is it your intention to distract everyone from something? The AFL-CIO and the local TWU has been warning the membership concerning the dangers looming from the right wing. How about the OT legislation? Or maybe you are correct the 13% of americans in unions are too stupid to see the writing on the wall.
It was you and RV4 who were questioning the need to fight RTW, or any other labor legislation that "does not affect aircraft workers because we fall under the RLA or we are unionized".
If you feel that the three hot button items of the conservatives is what is important to the membership, guns, prayer and abortion, then by all means keep going the way you are moving.
No, I really don''t like having to use my money for any political work, but if you share AMFADave''s ecstatic opinion of our supreme war lord and president select then you must be ecstatic over the economic mess that is looming.
Of course the "masses were upset" over Bill C''s lying about actions that so many, men at least, seem to want to boast or dream about, unfortunately too much and too looudly in the work place. But that is OK, guy talk, starting wars with deception is OK also, as long as repubs do it?
It would save lots of discussions if you would finally settle the issue of the OSMs, cost of work etc. You keep changing position. You claim that the shop rates are in fact outsourcing inhouse, when challenged as to whether you would prefer the work would go elsewhere you procceed to bring up the contract concessions. Go find some amt who bumped into an OSM slot, ask him if he would have preferred to get laidoff instead.
Buck admit you would be pefectly satisfied with the SWA business model, only you can''t quite figure out where you will fit in. I recommend a transfer to the line somewhere for a learning or re-learning experience. 4D maybe hot right now but at least it is shady
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Yea and the Right Wing cut my pay......
I never said they were stupid. Iasked you about the ability to educate the membership.
The issue I brought forth was the need to spend dues money on RTW when it does not affect those under the RLA. If you cannot get the membership to vote along your party line comrade, that is not my fault. Besides a TUL judge ruled that RTW was unconstitutional, right? But wait , that was thrown out. I never said that RTW did not affect the unionized worker. I repeat it does not affect those under the RLA.
Your three hot items, bears a lot of truth, but not necessarily for me, but 60% of those voting consevative at TUL. Lets look at each item.
1) Guns: Are you going to attempt to tell a Local 514 member that legislation to at the least limit his right to bears is more important than any labot issue? Good Luck. This is the weakest of the Three.
2) Prayer: Are you going to attempt to remove prayer form the workplace, for political reasons? Good Luck.
3) Abortion: You are really sticking your neck out there. Most of the members at TUL Local 514 will take a stand against your attempt to politically change their position on this issue. This a moral issue to them.
This is why you do not understand your members they do not see your form of politics as principled enough to change their moral position.
The economy started it''s slide in April 2000.
Guy talk at work has had many put their job in jeopardy.
As for your reference to Bush and the use of Clintons CIA man, nuff said.
I have in the past stated that my position is that the company should layoff and protect the wage and benefit gains made by labor. The issue isn ot whether an OSM would agree with me or not. The issue is at what cost do the rest of the workers have to pay to keep the TWU fully employed? Again lets have American open repair stations in every state and pay minimum wage. Full employment, right.
4D has nothing to do with the issues facing the mechanic and related. I would gladly bump to a line station no matter the weather or working conditions. What I said about SWA was that AA continually stated under Carty that we need to be more like them. I said then do it.