Mesa near miss at LAX

[hp-csr-phx]

Of course the story never mentions Mesa airlines. They only refer to the America West pilot. Also heard the same story on KTAR Radio--also refering to the America West pilot.

AZ Republic

>>>>>>>It's likely that the close call will be classified by the FAA as a Category A or Category B, the two most serious designations, Brown said. Officials attributed the incident to an error by the America West pilot, who told investigators he "got confused."

 

[flyingcat]

Of course the story never mentions Mesa airlines. They only refer to the America West pilot. Also heard the same story on KTAR Radio--also refering to the America West pilot.

AZ Republic

>>>>>>>It's likely that the close call will be classified by the FAA as a Category A or Category B, the two most serious designations, Brown said. Officials attributed the incident to an error by the America West pilot, who told investigators he "got confused."

Is it not a Mesa pilot that was confuesd? :blink:

 

[hp-csr-phx]

Is it not a Mesa pilot that was confuesd? :blink:

Yes it was a Mesa pilot. But of course the news only mentions "America West"

 

[Nebucanezzar]

Yes it was a Mesa pilot. But of course the news only mentions "America West"

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[murphy]

What happens to a pilot that does something like that? Does he lose his license?

 

[Nebucanezzar]

Ummmmm...they get to fly a bigger airplane for even less money....I think...not sure.

 

[hp_fa]

And that, boys and girls, is why you don't outsource work where a bad decision by a non-employee can cause you plenty of PR problems because the public won't know the difference between an America West pilot and a pilot working for someone that is doing business as America West.

Murphy:

He will likely have to fully explain it to the FAA. They can do anything from nothing to pulling his license.

 

[Travels2mch]

I'm not as concerned as to which airline was involved, this comment disturbs me more:

A system designed to alert controllers to potential collisions was not operating properly at the time.

 

[hp_fa]

I'm not as concerned as to which airline was involved, this comment disturbs me more:

A system designed to alert controllers to potential collisions was not operating properly at the time.

Portions of the air control system are always down some of the time for preventive maintenance or because they are broken. Nothing new there. Usually all that stuff shows up as NOTAM's (NOtice To AirMen) or is otherwise passed along by dispatchers and/or FAA controllers. If the system had to shut down everytime any piece went down the system would be much more of a mess then it is now.

 

[fr8tmastr]

I wonder how much experience this captain had? this is terrible publicity for the new Airways, Hey Doug why dont you think again about outsourcing the 175's before some other contractor does something else to "help" the airline.

 

[N924PS]

I wonder how much experience this captain had? this is terrible publicity for the new Airways, Hey Doug why dont you think again about outsourcing the 175's before some other contractor does something else to "help" the airline.

That is the plan of course. Watch for further outsourcing of mainline flying to the contractors. It's well under way and the just announced additional E-175 aircraft at Republic emphasizes this.

Soon to follow will be the replacement of the B737 Fleet with E-190's. This is suppposed to be at mainline but at drastically lower pay rates for the pilots.

As with most FAA intervention, it will take a few fatal accidents before they realize minimally experienced pilots
flying jets in hostile environments may not be in the best interest of the travelling public.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

I wonder how much experience this captain had? this is terrible publicity for the new Airways, Hey Doug why dont you think again about outsourcing the 175's before some other contractor does something else to "help" the airline.

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[N924PS]

That experience thing is a bit of a red herring. If anyone thinks that experience always equals no screwups they are fooling themselves. One has to be very careful treading there.

You are right about that. NTSB accident reports show that many highly experienced crews have erred and been involved in fatal aircraft accidents.

Having said that, I would still rather fly with experienced pilots rather than a 2500 hour Captain and 400 hour First Officer fresh out of Mesa Training.

 

[Dont call me Shirley]

Of course the story never mentions Mesa airlines. They only refer to the America West pilot. Also heard the same story on KTAR Radio--also refering to the America West pilot.

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You would think that, with both Mesa and AWA being based in PHX, the AZ Republic would know better.

Speaking of Mainline carriers being able to keep their names out of the papers when an affiliate carrier has an accident, DL has always done well in the regard. In the early and mid 90's, Skywest, ASA, and Comair all had serious accidents. In nearly every press account it was the operating carrier that was named with a sidenote that it was operating on behalf of DL.


From the AZR
LOS ANGELES - In what controllers are describing as the closest call they have seen at Los Angeles International Airport in seven years, two small airliners on the ground came within moments of colliding earlier this week.

Anyone know what happened seven years ago?

Even closer than the Southwest/Asiana close call a couple of years ago. Of course, that was also on 24L. What is it with that runway? The NTSB website had an awesome computer animation of that mishap. Don't know if it's still there.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

You are right about that. NTSB accident reports show that many highly experienced crews have erred and been involved in fatal aircraft accidents.

Having said that, I would still rather fly with experienced pilots rather than a 2500 hour Captain and 400 hour First Officer fresh out of Mesa Training.

Agreed.