Past Mergers

[skyflyr69]

When Piedmont bought Empire was Empire ALPA? I heard Empire turned down
ALPA. If true they got what they deserved.

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[wings396]

What does that have to do with anything today?? That merger was way back in 1987, and as far as I know none of them got screwed over. I was around at that time, and the only thing that I recall was that they were required to stay on their Equipment type for a given time period. This has also taken place at other carriers that have been merged in the past. If anyone got Screwed in that merger it was the agents, as they lost their seniority if the transfered out of their station after the merger. The agents were also slotted into the PI payscale based on what their hourly rate was instead of years of service. After the PI/US merger, they were all brought up to scale as they should have been to beging with. I remember many of them in my Station getting close to $10k yearly raise!!

 

[EyeInTheSky]

What does that have to do with anything today?? That merger was way back in 1987, and as far as I know none of them got screwed over. I was around at that time, and the only thing that I recall was that they were required to stay on their Equipment type for a given time period. This has also taken place at other carriers that have been merged in the past. If anyone got Screwed in that merger it was the agents, as they lost their seniority if the transfered out of their station after the merger. The agents were also slotted into the PI payscale based on what their hourly rate was instead of years of service. After the PI/US merger, they were all brought up to scale as they should have been to beging with. I remember many of them in my Station getting close to  $10k yearly raise!!

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Wings the Empire pilots were STAPLED into the Piedmont senority list. All Empire pilots have a DOH as the merger date Jan 86. The Empire pilots do keep their Empire DOH for furlough purposes. For example, if an Empire pilot were hired in 1982 then that would be used if a furlough happens. After the USAir merger, Empire pilots DID NOT get their senority back; however, Empire agents and flight attendants did. Again, different rules for everybody. This is what kills the union concept IMHO. DOH is DOH is DOH, how damn hard can that be?

 

[PA18]

When Piedmont bought Empire was Empire ALPA?  I heard Empire turned down
ALPA. If true they got what they deserved.

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As much as the former Piedmont pilots would like you to believe that the Empire pilots "turned down ALPA two times" -- in order to justify the former group's egregiously selfish actions -- the fact is, it's simply not true.

In the summer preceding the merger, 90-something percent of the Empire pilots signed and submitted cards to ALPA requesting a representational election.

For political reasons, ALPA National then stonewalled the Empire pilots' request for representation until after the merger was announced (in October), at which time it became moot.

Two years later, the then-USAir ALPA unit used the Piedmont pilots' treatment of the Empire pilots as a real trump card in demonstrating to Arbitrator Kagel just how greedy and unreasonable the other side was during the PAI-AAA seniority integration hearings. It worked beautifully, and the AAA side won the arbitration.

Of course, as soon as that was over, the AAA MEC wanted nothing to do with any attempt to restore the Empire pilots's seniority, even though the former had so righteously condemned the Piedmont staple job of Empire during the hearings.

I would expect that to many former Empire pilots, it will be both gratifying -- and somewhat amusing -- to see and hear the reaction of the original AAA and former PAI pilots, when they finally find out how it feels to lose their DOH seniority in the AWA merger.