Pledge of Allegiance dispute results in Md. teacher having to apologize.

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Student refuses to stand for pledge
The incident began on a Wednesday in late January, when the girl did not stand for the pledge. Her teacher yelled at her, demanded that she stand and then sent her to the office for her defiance, Quereshi said. The school system confirmed the sequence of events.

The next morning, the girl again refused to stand for the pledge. This time, the teacher called two school police officers to the classroom to escort the girl to the office.
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A police escort? Really? I think the teacher needs tot take a US Civics class to better understand freedom and mundane stuff like that. I would not be comfortable having this teacher in charge of my kid's education.
 
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I remember when I was in school. We had to say the pledge each morning. I stopped saying it very early on. I remember thinking of the pledge while reading an article about someone who had been screwed by the US legal system. IIRC it was a minority who was targeted because they were a minority. It occurred to me that the justice part was not for all people in this country. Justice seems to be for those who can afford it and liberty seems to be for those who society think deserve it.

Until two things happen I will not say the pledge. First all people need to have the same liberties and justice as everyone else. Second we need to go back tot he pre-1954 version of the pledge. Until then they just seem like hollow words to me. Definitely something to aspire too but we are not there yet.
 
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I remember when I was in school. We had to say the pledge each morning. I stopped saying it very early on. I remember thinking of the pledge while reading an article about someone who had been screwed by the US legal system. IIRC it was a minority who was targeted because they were a minority. It occurred to me that the justice part was not for all people in this country. Justice seems to be for those who can afford it and liberty seems to be for those who society think deserve it.

Until two things happen I will not say the pledge. First all people need to have the same liberties and justice as everyone else. Second we need to go back tot he pre-1954 version of the pledge. Until then they just seem like hollow words to me. Definitely something to aspire too but we are not there yet.
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Couldn't have said it better myself. Interestingly, I always sing the national anthem. I'm aware of the irony.

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10 to 1 the Teach was a Dem. and felt the child was dis-respecting Nobama ! :shock:

Any Takers ?
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No.
 
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I don't think it's ironic at all.

The anthem tells of a battle victory against a mighty opponent. The pledge professes that were are a beacon for the world. We are a republic in which all people are treated the same. While I think it is a goal were are getting closer to, we are not there yet.
 
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I don't think it's ironic at all.

The anthem tells of a battle victory against a mighty opponent. The pledge professes that were are a beacon for the world. We are a republic in which all people are treated the same. While I think it is a goal were are getting closer to, we are not there yet.
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So , since "We are not there yet", let's abandoned it...........right ? :blink:
 
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How did you get to
So , since "We are not there yet", let's abandoned it...........right ?
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While I think it is a goal were are getting closer to, we are not there yet.
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Then there was this:
Until two things happen I will not say the pledge. First all people need to have the same liberties and justice as everyone else. Second we need to go back tot he pre-1954 version of the pledge. Until then they just seem like hollow words to me. Definitely something to aspire too but we are not there yet.
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Since it appears I was not clear. I have no intention of abandoning anything. The goal of having liberty and justice for all is a noble one and I would like nothing more than to see that happen here in the US. I have not nor will I give up hope that it will come to pass.
 
I like the part about the student being too traumatized by other students taunts and comments.

The little Progressive gets a hard learned lesson in actions have consequences.

Ying Yang in school......LOL
 
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So sticking by ones convictions earns one the right to be bullied? Exercising ones constitutional rights earns one the right to get bullied? God forbid the teacher say that this kid has the right to do this. Why don't we discuss it and maybe learn something. Then again, I guess that means the teacher would actually have to have an understanding of tolerance and constitutional law which judging by her actions are obviously lacking.

Perhaps you are right Dell. I guess it is better to learn early on that liberty and justice does not apply to all people. What better place and time to learn that but in school mouthing the words to a pledge that profess those very things. Seems a bit ironic.
 
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So sticking by ones convictions earns one the right to be bullied? Exercising ones constitutional rights earns one the right to get bullied? God forbid the teacher say that this kid has the right to do this. Why don't we discuss it and maybe learn something. Then again, I guess that means the teacher would actually have to have an understanding of tolerance and constitutional law which judging by her actions are obviously lacking.

Perhaps you are right Dell. I guess it is better to learn early on that liberty and justice does not apply to all people. What better place and time to learn that but in school mouthing the words to a pledge that profess those very things. Seems a bit ironic.
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Sometimes discretion is the better part of valor.
 
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Exercising ones constitutional rights should never be a matter of convenience. One should never have to question whether it is a good idea or not.
 
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