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Double negative
We ARE remembering the past knuckle head ! , the past, present , and the lack of a future with the TWU THATS THE PROBLEM ! ! Any Union except the TWU,.....Any at this point.
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<_< ------ cf6, "Be careful of which you wish for!"
You keep quoting Delle from 2005, which you seem to support :blink: , but not supporting Informers plan (top of page) in 2012, which is different?
Afraid,.....really? Thats a problem with me,... as its what the TWU has been using for years to get the votes they need,....and its what probably going to happen again !! ,......WAKE UP PEOPLE ! ! VOTE NO ! ! ! and then kick this AFL CIO union to the curb.
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In 1995 we gave them 25% SRP's and 6 1/2% over 6 years in pay raises to save jobs and turn this company around.
In 2003 we gave 17.5% paycut, Holidays, Vacation, and Sick time to save jobs turn this company around.
2012....17 years later, you are being asked to give again.
Concessions for jobs is the past Overspeed, and voting YES is the condemnation of repeating that failed past.
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Why would a Union continue to make the same mistake over and over and over?
Does preservation of pay, benefits, and working conditions mean anything to the TWU?
Does preservation of pay, benefits, and working conditions mean anything to the TWU?
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Remember the B-scale, those mechanics were outside looking in. Today the mechanics are inside being forced to take the cuts that put will put them outside looking in again. Or in this case giving them sub standard wage.
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And voting no means what? That we will get huge raises? Really? Time to wake up. Judge Lane is going to say that AMR should as a consequence of huge layoffs give everyone a big raise? Really? Has that happened? Uh, no.
The past is that in court CBAs get abrogated and jobs, benefits, and wages get hammered. That's the truth. No one has gotten a raise in BK court, no one. The thing you hang your hat on is that somehow in a matter of months or years of continued negotiations after BK we will get a raise to at best what? $38? $40?
Not likely but what is likely is that 4,300 will be out of a job and you will still blame the TWU and ask for another union to be our savior. Again, those that forget the past our condemned to repeat it.
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I never claimed anything about a raise, but AA has said they will revert to 3/22 term sheet and there are payraises in that sheet. Paltry payraise, but still a payraise.
My position is simple, concessions for jobs has not turned this company around in the past, and it will not this time either.
Don't be caught telling lies on a regular basis, your credibility is already in question.
Truth be know, your name is probably Rick Mullins and it is your own ass you are trying to save here, you produce nothing every day for the company, instead you are part of a $21K per month Local 514 lost time bill that is nothing short of a waste of good money.
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With this vote, people can make a case to vote in one or the other proposal. We argue about what each one will bring, and the line argues with overhaul. In this bankruptcy before the company went into it, they new the best and the worst they would come away with. No different when you ask your kids a question already knowing the answer but hoping to get the truth. We will get neither from the company or the union. What we need to ask is weather you vote yes or no, what is going to change?. We have management that does not manage and are trying as hard as they can to work day shift 6 to 4. We are a 24/7 operation and most of our maintenance goes on after the sun goes down. Our union is only interested in keeping as many dues payers as possible and creates the atmosphere of get away with what you can as long as you can, and there is nothing you can do to get fired. When the vote is over, nothing about the company or the union will have changed. The people who created this situation will still be running things on the company side as well as the union. What we should be asking is where is the real change? With a new agreement either voted on or imposed it may look a little different (like a house with a new coat of paint) but the way of life will be no different. Until you see real change to both sides we are stuck in a ground hog day repeating loop.
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Look at the term sheet dated 3/22. It does say in bolded type that the 1.5% raises are contingent on reaching an agreement. That is in the Company's 3/22 ask so they will "ask" the judge to abrogate and then impose the new term sheet with no raises. We do however have the right to continue to negotiate minus 4,300 jobs.
Tell the truth
