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[john john]

No, those decisions were made independent and far away from me. I was only hired during the late summer of 2009. What damage was done to your union was done long before I filled out a job application.

So you have no desire to increase your wages and benefits you have no desire to have a voice with management. You do realize the largest union in the USA is the government unions. So you are a career government employee telling the unions of the airline they are the major reason that problems exits in the airlines. I could go on but I won’t you need a history lesson

 

[Ttailfan]

So you have no desire to increase your wages and benefits you have no desire to have a voice with management. You do realize the largest union in the USA is the government unions. So you are a career government employee telling the unions of the airline they are the major reason that problems exits in the airlines. I could go on but I won’t you need a history lesson

I never said I made my living with my 20 plus years in public safety...not all communities can afford full time paid staff. That's why we have volunteer/part paid fire departments, volunteer EMS crews, volunteer (reserve/auxiliary) law enforcement officers. While I do get some pay for my time given to my community, I am not a member of any union because we aren't "offically" employees in the concept of the 40 hour a week work a day world and the amount I get is hardly a living wage. But that is not why I do it. I do it because I want to give back to my community and have the skills and abilities to do so. I don't run away from trouble, I run toward it. That's what people in public safety do, whether career or volunteers/part paid.

Actually, I was working in the medical field when I was laid off. All the local hospitals, large physicians groups, etc. have hiring freezes in place in addition to some of them laying people off like I was. People don't go to the doctor when they don't have jobs and insurance...that is one area they cut back. As a result, the work load decreases and employers send employees packing with lay off papers.

 

[john john]

I've worked in public safety for over 20 years. I cannot count the number of times I've had to stand by for HOURS waiting for 4 different crews from the utility company so I could open the road to traffic. One crew was the "assessment crew." The next group of guys would be the "tree cutting crew" but don't expect them to remove the tree, they just cut it up. Then I'd have to wait for the tree removal crew to show up to remove the tree from the road because they are union workers and not allowed to remove the wood they just cut up. After having about 12 guys on scene over the last several hours, I'd finally get a lineman crew that would remove the line from the road and put it back up on the poll. Only then could I open the road for the public.

Give me a break. Why not have an assessing guy, a tree cutter, a tree remover and a lineman all in the same truck. One truck arrives on scene, problem solved in 20 minutes. But that is not how unions work. And because you are dealing with a potential live wire, you don't dare touch it yourself.

Why not have two people check you in load the cargo service the aircraft and load the passengers dispatch the aircraft secure the aircraft and fly the aircraft same on arrival

 

[tech2101]

Why not have two people check you in load the cargo service the aircraft and load the passengers dispatch the aircraft secure the aircraft and fly the aircraft same on arrival

Makes perfect sense to me... :blink:

 

[Ttailfan]

Why not have two people check you in load the cargo service the aircraft and load the passengers dispatch the aircraft secure the aircraft and fly the aircraft same on arrival

OK...so I need a two man assessing team to look and say "Yup, you have a tree down in the road and it took one of our lines with it."

Then, I have a 4 man tree cutting crew show up and 3 watch one guy cut the tree up, but do not do anything to move the debris.

Then the 3 or 4 man tree removal crew show up and one or two of them starts pulling the debris from the road because I'm not allowed to clear it myself after its cut up.

And then a 2 or 4 man line crew eventually show up once the tree removal crew have checked off the scene and determine what they need to do to fix it.

Why can't the guys standing around while the one guy is cutting the tree up start clearing the roadway of the debris? It won't let me open the road due to the line being down, but at least it would speed up the process.

Why can't the assessing guys carry a chain saw with them. They could have cut the tree up and moved the debris...then the line crew show up and reconnect the power line and restore the electricity to the community? But that's not what unions are about...effecient and productive methods of getting the job done. That limits the number of people required to pay dues.

I can understand why you don't want the same guy filling the water tanks on board the aircraft also emptying the toilet holding tanks at the same time...but you're going to tell me that there is NO way to work smarter because its a union job? I was raised with the "work smarter, not harder" mentality.

 

[bagboy]

First off, your scenario shows us that management has failed to do there job not the unions. Second, I do unionized line-work and at our utility company, we do the tree trimming, we do leave it for removal, and make all repairs necessary for safe operation. 2 man crew. Third, what exactly would your roll be in all of this? You don't cut, haul, or fix anything. Did you at least pick up the street signs and cones for the boys?

 

[Ttailfan]

First off, your scenario shows us that management has failed to do there job not the unions. Second, I do unionized line-work and at our utility company, we do the tree trimming, we do leave it for removal, and make all repairs necessary for safe operation. 2 man crew. Third, what exactly would your roll be in all of this? You don't cut, haul, or fix anything. Did you at least pick up the street signs and cones for the boys?

I'll agree with you there, it is a management thing, but the ground crews and the management all point the finger at the union rules and complaints fall on deaf ears. I really wish it would work like you mentioned at your place, but it doesn't in my area. At least, not in my experience.

In fact, during one especially nasty night of storms, the crews they sent to my scene were from 60 miles away. And by the time they got to my scene 4 hour later, the crew had already had 2 breaks be cause they were paged at home, had to drive to the shop, get the trucks and equipment ready, drive that 60 miles (first break was before they got into town) and it was their break time again when they got to my scene and didn't do anything for the first 30 minutes they were there. And this was a storm that people were without power for over a week in spots. Hardly effecient work methods. But again, I speak from my own experience...it sounds like you have it better.

Regarding what I did to help them...nothing, I was stranded over a quarter mile away diverting traffic, with every other car demanding to go straight. So I wasn't supervising them, but could clearly see them and what they were doing. It took over 8 hours to cut and remove a tree and re-string the power poles...8 hours of being stuck at that intersection when I could have been put to better use during that storm clean up.

So maybe my opinion is tainted by all the years of watching stuff like I have described. But we all speak from our own experiences, don't we?

 

[700UW]

You must have great or x-ray vision to see 1/4 away and through cars and other items.

I think someone's nose is growing.

 

[Ttailfan]

You must have great or x-ray vision to see 1/4 away and through cars and other items.

I think someone's nose is growing.

A quarter of a mile isn't very far on a flat and straight surface street...and with no traffic on the road because I'm not allowing anyone down there because of a downed power line, the only thing in the road is a downed tree...so not too hard to see that either. What makes you think that is a hard thing other then I can tell you have never been in a first responder roll.

 

[concourseA]

Two things with RHS. First, I would ask the moderator to remove this from the Delta blog and put it with Regonals. Second, I want Delta to cancel all RHS contracts and return work to mainline.

Why should this go under the "regional" forum? This company is not an airline, regional or otherwise. There needs to be a forum for (cheap) ground handling companies. 😛

Anyone know how DL can continue to fly several mainline flights into cities like ROC and not have mainlline employees working there?

 

[Kev3188]

Anyone know how DL can continue to fly several mainline flights into cities like ROC and not have mainlline employees working there?

Simple. No scope language.

They can do whatever they want.

 

[night-ice]

Why should this go under the "regional" forum? This company is not an airline, regional or otherwise. There needs to be a forum for (cheap) ground handling companies. 😛

Anyone know how DL can continue to fly several mainline flights into cities like ROC and not have mainlline employees working there?

There may be a few more stations that I can't recall right now, but TYS sticks in my head as being one station that has ZERO "0" mainline flights but their ticket counters are mainline employees....I think REAS is below wing now (aka: Comair).. very nice airport to fly in/out of.

 

[N323DL]

There may be a few more stations that I can't recall right now, but TYS sticks in my head as being one station that has ZERO "0" mainline flights but their ticket counters are mainline employees....I think REAS is below wing now (aka: Comair).. very nice airport to fly in/out of.

TLH is another city that has mainline above wing and I think even below wing but they have nothing but 50 seaters as of now.

OKC also has above wing mainline with no mainline flights.

OMA on the other hand has a couple mainline flights a day from NW and is 100% (above and below wing) subcontracted out to a third party handler (Skyway).

 

[Kev3188]

TLH does not have M/L employees below wing...

 

[REASben]

TLH does not have M/L employees below wing...

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