Remember Crandall?

[aafsc]

He also stated he did not mind paying the mechanics, but he could not pay everyone in the TWU mechanic wages. The TWU's industrial union attitude has suspressed the ability of the mechanics to keep pace with inflation.

[post="247698"][/post]​

If you are saying that TWU members who are not mechanics are making mechanics pay, you are mistaken. A topped out mechanic at AA I believe makes about $30 an hour and takes 5 years to top out. A person on the ramp tops out at about $20 an hour and it took 11 years to top out in addition to being part time for the first few years (4-5 hours a day) also the starting rate was $6.85 an hour. As someone who works the ramp, I FULLY support your efforts to go to AMFA. This notion of rampers making what they make because of riding the coat tails of the mechanics is and has always been bull####. This can be proven by looking at Southwest, Northwest, and Delta. Southwest ramp tops out at $24 an hour and they only have a couple thousand A and P line mechanics. Also I don't think the two groups have ever been in the same union (mechanics were teamsters now they are AMFA while the ramp and agents are and always have been TWU). Also given that there are probably 10,000 rampers and agents at Southwest compared to a couple thousand mechanics it is flawed logic to suggest that 10,000 people are making what they make simply because of what a much much smaller group makes. As for Northwest, AMFA went in there and said that mechanics had to get rid of the IAM and get away from the "unskilled" so that Northwest management would respect the AMT as a profession and they would be compensated accordingly. They also went on and on about how the ramp was "holding them back". AMFA's campaign statements aroused enough mechanics there to win representation. Well look at the state of Northwests' mechanics today. Half of them gone with hangars being torn down in MSP; ATL hangar closed; all heavy maintanence being farmed out except the airbuses; brakes, wheels, and APU's farmed out. And today I just read where all the engines will no longer be done in house and they will contract with a line maintanence company in Canada to do line maintanence and will most likely lay off about 150 line mechanics (read this on amfanuts and they refered to a paper from amfa33). The mechanics at Northwest suffered all this yet all the rampers are still there making $19 an hour..hmm. Lastly, Delta. Both the AMTs and ramp at Delta are non-union which means Delta management can pay whatever they want. The wages for these two Delta groups are on par with the other legacies.

 

[Buck]

If you are saying that TWU members who are not mechanics are making mechanics pay, you are mistaken. A topped out mechanic at AA I believe makes about $30 an hour and takes 5 years to top out. A person on the ramp tops out at about $20 an hour and it took 11 years to top out in addition to being part time for the first few years (4-5 hours a day) also the starting rate was $6.85 an hour. As someone who works the ramp, I FULLY support your efforts to go to AMFA. This notion of rampers making what they make because of riding the coat tails of the mechanics is and has always been bull####. This can be proven by looking at Southwest, Northwest, and Delta. Southwest ramp tops out at $24 an hour and they only have a couple thousand A and P line mechanics. Also I don't think the two groups have ever been in the same union (mechanics were teamsters now they are AMFA while the ramp and agents are and always have been TWU). Also given that there are probably 10,000 rampers and agents at Southwest compared to a couple thousand mechanics it is flawed logic to suggest that 10,000 people are making what they make simply because of what a much much smaller group makes. As for Northwest, AMFA went in there and said that mechanics had to get rid of the IAM and get away from the "unskilled" so that Northwest management would respect the AMT as a profession and they would be compensated accordingly. They also went on and on about how the ramp was "holding them back". AMFA's campaign statements aroused enough mechanics there to win representation. Well look at the state of Northwests' mechanics today. Half of them gone with hangars being torn down in MSP; ATL hangar closed; all heavy maintanence being farmed out except the airbuses; brakes, wheels, and APU's farmed out. And today I just read where all the engines will no longer be done in house and they will contract with a line maintanence company in Canada to do line maintanence and will most likely lay off about 150 line mechanics (read this on amfanuts and they refered to a paper from amfa33). The mechanics at Northwest suffered all this yet all the rampers are still there making $19 an hour..hmm. Lastly, Delta. Both the AMTs and ramp at Delta are non-union which means Delta management can pay whatever they want. The wages for these two Delta groups are on par with the other legacies.

[post="247713"][/post]​

No what I am saying is that the policies of the TWU have kept the mechanics from achieving increases based on their craft. I know that other crafts within the TWU do not make mechanic wages, nor should they be penalized for making what they make. Mechanic wages are about $25 plus License Premiums, for most of the mechanics. The OSM is if topped out $25 with no premiums. Rampers do not make wages based on mechanics, but the contractual wage increases are divided among the ground workers. All I am saying that each work group should have the right to make what their peers make in the industry and to keep pace with inflation. The TWU has failed to provide this.

 

[aafsc]

No what I am saying is that the policies of the TWU have kept the mechanics from achieving increases based on their craft. I know that other crafts within the TWU do not make mechanic wages, nor should they be penalized for making what they make. Mechanic wages are about $25 plus License Premiums, for most of the mechanics. The OSM is if topped out $25 with no premiums. Rampers do not make wages based on mechanics, but the contractual wage increases are divided among the ground workers. All I am saying that each work group should have the right to make what their peers make in the industry and to keep pace with inflation. The TWU has failed to provide this.

[post="247727"][/post]​

I misunderstood your post. My $30 an hour figure for mechanic was $25/hr for base and $5/hr for both licenses. I am in total agreement with you about making what your peers make. I feel mechanics with an A and P should make what SW and UPS AMTs make ($35-$40/hr) even a little more in high cost areas like JFK and LAX. I believe that A and P's should make these amounts because they are federally licensed and carry much responsibility. I have said this in previous posts. As for ramp, our compensation should match what SW ramp has. I am not that happy with the TWU/AFL-CIO and especially with the AFL-CIO. If you and the majority of AMT's want to dump the TWU and go to AMFA, I wish you all the best.

 

[Kev3188]

The mechanics at Northwest suffered all this yet all the rampers are still there making $19 an hour..hmm. .

[post="247713"][/post]​

Actually, it's a base of $20.20 if you're topped out....

Also,it seemed to me that the most pro-amfa mechanics were also predominatly junior, and thus were the first to be let go, which makes me think that most folks skipped all the work rule/scope language, and went straight to the pay scale(s).

 

[aafsc]

Actually, it's a base of $20.20 if you're topped out....

Also,it seemed to me that the most pro-amfa mechanics were also predominatly junior, and thus were the first to be let go, which makes me think that most folks skipped all the work rule/scope language, and went straight to the pay scale(s).

[post="247734"][/post]​

Thanks for the correction. Someone told me it was $19, I am glad it is more.

 

[eolesen]

And what does any of this have to do with Crandall?....

 

[Buck]

And what does any of this have to do with Crandall?....

[post="247741"][/post]​

Crandall has stated that he would pay the mechanics....

Crandall said and mechanics?

Seems they go together.

 

[AAmech]

Imagine what a field day Cradall would have dealing with del Femine and the Amfa leadership!! Especially after watching how the rank AMATURES at NWA and Alaska management dealt with them! He would tear into them like a Pitbull into a kitten!!!!!

 

[Buck]

Imagine what a field day Cradall would have dealing with del Femine and the Amfa leadership!! Especially after watching how the rank AMATURES at NWA and Alaska management dealt with them! He would tear into them like a Pitbull into a kitten!!!!!

[post="247751"][/post]​

Ok AAmech or J7915 or who ever you really are, wake and quit having nightmares of how Crandall treated the TWU.

Crandall would have torn into the theory of industrial unionism, which would have busted the dues collection machine of the TWU.

 

[goingboeing]

Ok AAmech or J7915 or who ever you really are, wake and quit having nightmares of how Crandall treated the TWU.

Crandall would have torn into the theory of industrial unionism, which would have busted the dues collection machine of the TWU.

[post="247767"][/post]​

Crandall would have payed the AMT's $35.00/HR in the early 1990's if he could also have payed Fleet service and baggage handlers $8.00/HR. It is obvious that TWU who is dominated by fleet service protected themselfs at the expense of the mechanics.If you are the one cutting the pie of labor dollars you are going to make sure that you cut big pieces for yourselfs first.

 

[aafsc]

Or, he could have paid the mechanics $35/hr in the early 1990s if he could have paid the AA pilots what the CO pilots made at that time.