Rumsfeld stepping down

[Gilding the Lily]

I suppose Rumsfeld wouldn't be able to handle more calls for his resignation from an even larger pool of Dems.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/08/rum...d.ap/index.html

 

[sentrido]

I suppose Rumsfeld wouldn't be able to handle more calls for his resignation from an even larger pool of Dems.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/08/rum...d.ap/index.html

In his conference , the prez just basicaly admitted lying to the American people before the election about Rummy leaving.

 

[jimntx]

Oh, please. Rumsfeld has said time and time again that he would leave on his terms and on his schedule. I am sure that it is mere coincidence that he resigned the day after the Democrats took control of the House and possibly the Senate. 😉

Now, Sentrido, what he said was that he had been talking with Rumsfeld about the idea and the possibility of resignation.

 

[sentrido]

Did the prez just say " the Democrats support our troops just lik the Repulicans do"?

I'm waiting for someone to ask if the terrorists won yet.

Wow, what a difference getting your butt wooped can do to someones attitude.

 

[Garfield1966]

I figured he would stay on at least a few more months and then use some trumped up health reason to bail out. I am betting that Cheney will be gone before the end of next tear. It makes sense to me since he has stated he has no presidential ambitions for him to step down, have someone else get the VP spot so they can get the name recognition before 2008.

Having the Rep. Can Rumsfeld right after loosing the house and possible the senate is an admission of guilt in a huge way. Although I guess doing it now rather than later and hoping no one remembers in 2008 who did what is as good a plan as any when you just got bi%^h slapped by the voting public.

 

[Kev3188]

"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know."

Donald Rumsfeld-


Here's what I know, Don; Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

 

[Ch. 12]

Interesting how Bush said that Gates will "provide the department with a fresh perspective and new ideas" for the Iraq war. Could that possibly mean that he intends to take credit for anything that Congress proposes now that they may actually propose some new initiatives?

 

[MrAeroMan]

Interesting how Bush said that Gates will "provide the department with a fresh perspective and new ideas" for the Iraq war. Could that possibly mean that he intends to take credit for anything that Congress proposes now that they may actually propose some new initiatives?

Where were these so called "new initiatives" prior to the election?

 

[delldude]

Did the prez just say " the Democrats support our troops just lik the Repulicans do"?

I'm waiting for someone to ask if the terrorists won yet.

Wow, what a difference getting your butt wooped can do to someones attitude.

you're a Dick...Cheney that is...

 

[Ch. 12]

Where were these so called "new initiatives" prior to the election?

Getting voted down in Congress. Where have you been?

 

[jimntx]

Getting voted down in Congress. Where have you been?

And, when and in what bill did that happen? The Administration has presented nothing to Congress other than continuing resolutions to fund that mess. And, by the way, just remember that until yesterday your beloved Republicans were in the majority in both houses of Congress; so, who was voting down these alleged "ew initiatives?"

Which by the way, since you are so pro-Rummy's way of running the war...

I hope your grandchildren and great-grandchildren express their appreciation to you for leaving them with the bills for the Iraq war. The whole thing has been funded with "continuing resolutions" which mean every penny of the cost is "off-budget."

So, the current GOP-created deficit, which is a scandal in itself, contains not one penny of the war costs. Those are owed on top of the current deficit. The war cost is currently over $340 BILLION.

Estimated cost of the Iraq War

 

[MrAeroMan]

Getting voted down in Congress. Where have you been?

You truly are a delusional moron. Now I understand why you're a demolib and want handouts. You can't fend for yourself so you want to live off of someone else's hard work. You truly are a joke.

 

[Ch. 12]

You truly are a delusional moron. Now I understand why you're a demolib and want handouts. You can't fend for yourself so you want to live off of someone else's hard work. You truly are a joke.

Huh? You don't even make sense but you sure sound like an angry individual. I fend for myself just fine so go back to attacking my messages and not my character b/c you have no clue what you are talking about. I answered that the Dems motions had been voted down. What the hell are you talking about in your gibberish??

jimntx- Thanks for logical and intelligent responses. To answer your question, a request for a partial withdrawl of troops ws voted down. Then the reps proposed an immediate and full withdrawl as a joke political stunt to supposedly show that nobody would vote for it and to try to fake the public into thinking that meant that nobody in Congress supported any scale-down. That backfired this past Tuesday. And then Congress voted down a dem proposal to at least have Bush draw up a plan on some sort of scale down over the next few years. These all happened around July/August, I believe, and can be found easily in Congressional records and voting history.

I'm not saying that a golden egg was presented by the dems nor will anybody ever present one b/c the situation is complex in Iraq. However...with the GOP controlling both houses and unwilling to stray from a unified vote, there was nothing that the Dems could have or should have proposed b/c that partisanship has gotten so bad that nobody from the majority would stray to support it. I'm still not sure that there will be a quick solution b/c the Dems don't vote a very unified stance...but at least more ears will at least be open to listening and maybe a dialogue can progress to where we can fix some things (both parties) over the next couple of years. Only time will tell.

 

[jimntx]

Sorry about that. I assumed your stance re: Congress. We all know what assuming does.

 

[Garfield1966]

http://my.usatoday.com/news/washington/200...-rumsfeld_x.htm

Something just does not sit quite right with me about the logic used in this article.

I believe the decision to remove Rumsfeld was purely political. Had the republicans kept both the house and senate, Rumsfeld in my opinion would still be the Sec Def. Bush would have viewed it as a mandate to continue on his chosen course. The plan to replace Rumsfeld was a contingency plan. Since control of congress was a tossup, they needed a plan in place just in case they lost. They knew Rumsfeld would be targeted in the dems took control so they canned him. As Bush said, he did not loose faith in Rumsfeld (then why fire him?) he just thought it prudent to get a fresh perspective (interpretation - now since I have to work with Dems, I'll have to be more moderate).

Had Rmsfeld been canned early in the year, I think that would have helped the reps considerably, canning him a few weeks before could have back fired as well. As it stands now, I view Rumsfelds firing as an admission of guilt. An admission that he failed the military he was supposed to protect, failure to follow the militaries advice for planning better for Iraq and a failure of his over all leadership abilities. These short coming also apply to Bush/Cheney as well. Their blind devotion and tunnel vision was and is their down fall.

Having Gates in charge now seems like window dressing to me. Gates has to play with a hand already dealt to him. If he is playing by the same book that Bush/Cheney use, nothing will change.

I am not sure if was here or on another forum I participate in, but someone said that Bush does not lead by poll numbers, he leads by what he believes. Well, I guess we can safely lay that story to rest. His actions are determined by the political winds just as any other politicians.