Scabs

[keeptheodds]

IMHO ....amfa may have been ambushed.
NW files BK and AMFA has to go in and negotiate what was a contract now in a highly adversarial tone and then NW goes 1113 motions and all.......AMFA already rejected the last final offer....so where do we go from here??think they'll kowtow to 1113??
bottom line is they (NW) can and will show the judge how they need this 176 million relief.and the mr.niceguy thing will be out the window...look for "my way or the highway" type of neg's from here on out in BK.
then all the other labor groups will see the example AMFA caused on themselves and will willingly take concessions.
NW has AMFA by the balls if it goes BK.....
AMBUSH IS MURDER-MURDER IS FUN

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Dead-on Dell

 

[Bob Owens]

quote=Boomer,Aug 19 2005, 05:50 PM
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In your world, how is the fact that LUV is the most highly Unionized/compensated airline reconciled with the chaos you say unions bring?

The bottom line is that with or without Unions, failure to lead is the more likely culprit for business failure.

There is always going to be some anomalies out there.

[post="289656"][/post]​

Anomoly or a model?

Lets not forget that Kelleher built that airline, unlike the hired hands that run most of the other carriers he had more of a personal stake in the company that went beyond cash and options.

 

[operaations]

I was wondering the same thing. Does NW have scabs? well I woke up saw a NW plane in the sky. Hmmm I guess they do. Damn them now the AMFA is up the creek I think

 

[keeptheodds]

I was wondering the same thing. Does NW have scabs? well I woke up saw a NW plane in the sky. Hmmm I guess they do. Damn them now the AMFA is up the creek I think

[post="290153"][/post]​

AMFA is now a lame duck and soon to be a dead duck.
I just hope its members are smart enough to realize that and bail out now.

 

[Mark Inman]

AMFA will never be a lame duck or dead duck as long as the only other options are Industrial unions like IAM and TWU. You see the concept of all Aircraft Mechanics in one craft union is the only hope we have. TWU and IAM have already proven that. Will AMFA lose battles? (yes) But they will not give up with out a fihgt or sell you out becouse the members control the union unlike TWU and IAM.

 

[keeptheodds]

AMFA will never be a lame duck or dead duck as long as the only other options are Industrial unions like IAM and TWU. You see the concept of all Aircraft Mechanics in one craft union is the only hope we have. TWU and IAM have already proven that. Will AMFA lose battles? (yes) But they will not give up with out a fihgt or sell you out becouse the members control the union unlike TWU and IAM.

[post="290166"][/post]​

How many AMFA members do think will cross the picket line?

I've heard every number from 40 to 60%

 

[Mark Inman]

How many AMFA members do think will cross the picket line?

I've heard every number from 40 to 60%

[post="290181"][/post]​

I would say less than 10% but we will have to wait and see won't we. You have to remember these days you can't kill an airlines. The people who crossed the line at Eastern justified the action in there greedy little minds with the fact that they were dismantling the airlines not saving it. Not to mention the fact that they were Represented by a company friendly union.

 

[keeptheodds]

I would say less than 10% but we will have to wait and see won't we. You have to remember these days you can't kill an airlines. The people who crossed the line at Eastern justified the action in there greedy little minds with the fact that they were dismantling the airlines not saving it. Not to mention the fact that they were Represented by a company friendly union.

[post="290185"][/post]​

That sure is a low number Inman like you said we will have to wait and see.
Does any one have any current numbers for us.

I predicted 20% of us wouldn't cross and that number from what I can tell is more like 30%.

 

[aafsc]

I would say less than 10% but we will have to wait and see won't we. You have to remember these days you can't kill an airlines. The people who crossed the line at Eastern justified the action in there greedy little minds with the fact that they were dismantling the airlines not saving it. Not to mention the fact that they were Represented by a company friendly union.

[post="290185"][/post]​

How could the IAM at EAL have been a "company friendly union" when that carrier was struck and put out of business? Maybe the IAM at EAL back then was far different from the IAM at the other airlines today. I can clearly remember that EAL and the IAM DL president, Charlie Bryan could never agree on anything. In fact, the battle seemed to get personal between the two (Borman vs. Bryan) and later (Bryan vs Lorenzo). Anyway, it was the membership who shut it down.

 

[Birdman]

KTO Rose, mystical, ficticious, and self proclaimed Minister of Propaganda, you are certainly earning your keep. You're a scab overachiever, going well beyond the typical duties of just crossing a picket line. Only a twisted, demented mind would contrive to attack the morale of a union workforce on strike. You are less than a human being and I will no longer respond to your rants or read your posts. I encourage others to do the same. God help you!

 

[local 12 proud]

KTO Rose, mystical, ficticious, and self proclaimed Minister of Propaganda, you are certainly earning your keep. You're a scab overachiever, going well beyond the typical duties of just crossing a picket line. Only a twisted, demented mind would contrive to attack the morale of a union workforce on strike. You are less than a human being and I will no longer respond to your rants or read your posts. I encourage others to do the same. God help you!

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Birdman it is becoming quite obvious what KTO is and is NOT. probably a disgruntled hack who was terminated in a union shop and is eager to stir the pot. truth is , if he is a NWA scab he should be out working his butt off to keep NWA flying sucking up all the O.T. he could!

 

[EyeInTheSky]

Birdman it is becoming quite obvious what KTO is and is NOT. probably a disgruntled hack who was terminated in a union shop and is eager to stir the pot. truth is , if he is a NWA scab he should be out working his butt off to keep NWA flying sucking up all the O.T. he could!

[post="290261"][/post]​

No, he's probably some airline-manager-wanna-be-weasel grad student in some business school somewhere getting his jollies off flame baiting union folk. Ignore the vermin.

 

[Boomer]

That sure is a low number Inman like you said we will have to wait and see.
Does any one have any current numbers for us.

I predicted 20% of us wouldn't cross and that number from what I can tell is more like 30%.

[post="290190"][/post]​

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Your response was very illuminating.

You say that you predicted 20% of the scabs would not cross the picket lines and now say that the true number is something like 30% of the scabs actually refused to cross.

Given the 1500 number reported by NWA as being available for scab duty, a third reduction brings it down to just above a thousand.

The FARs have duty reggs attached to anyone performing under the priviledge...the clock is ticking and with a less than 1:3 replacement rate, there is no way that coverage can be maintained with what you brought onboard.

Given the responses to what happens to aircraft after they come out of third-party overhaul, any aircraft returning will likely be the proverbial straw that broke the scabs back.

A Prayer:
Good Luck and God Speed to the Union Brothers and Sisters from AMFA... may God break then heal the legs of those against them so that we can know them by their limp.

 

[keeptheodds]

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Your response was very illuminating.
You say that you predicted 20% of the scabs would not cross the picket lines and now say that the true number is something like 30% of the scabs actually refused to cross.
Given the 1500 number reported by NWA as being available for scab duty, a third reduction brings it down to just above a thousand.

You need to review my earlier posts they started out with a little over 3000 and there are still some in Arizona. NW knew some would just come for the pay and training and then not cross. That is why they had an original goal of 4500.
Otherwise they wouldn't have the number of Mechs to pull this off. Like I said before they are ready for this.
If you look at all the news reports they all vary on the number of mechs.NW isn't going to put that out.

 

[keeptheodds]

KTO Rose, mystical, ficticious, and self proclaimed Minister of Propaganda, you are certainly earning your keep. You're a scab overachiever, going well beyond the typical duties of just crossing a picket line. Only a twisted, demented mind would contrive to attack the morale of a union workforce on strike. You are less than a human being and I will no longer respond to your rants or read your posts. I encourage others to do the same. God help you!

[post="290250"][/post]​

My posts was originally meant to inform you guys of what was going on over here. Not to ridicule. However with the hostile posts here you turned it into something else altogether. Your AMFA has lied to you as much as NW. AMFA is going to cost a lot of people their jobs. Where you could have inquired and asked questions about NW's strategy and made decisions on other information than AMFA's propaganda.You decided to riducle and hate right off the bat. So yes this has become personal. I have now choosen a side. NW will win this. As far as me being an overachiever, I was just bored. Now I have a mission...AMFA is going down.