Scabs

[Boomer]

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Your response was very illuminating.
You say that you predicted 20% of the scabs would not cross the picket lines and now say that the true number is something like 30% of the scabs actually refused to cross.
Given the 1500 number reported by NWA as being available for scab duty, a third reduction brings it down to just above a thousand.

You need to review my earlier posts they started out with a little over 3000 and there are still some in Arizona. NW knew some would just come for the pay and training and then not cross. That is why they had an original goal of 4500.
Otherwise they wouldn't have the number of Mechs to pull this off. Like I said before they are ready for this.
If you look at all the news reports they all vary on the number of mechs.NW isn't going to put that out.

[post="290320"][/post]​

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KTO,

Whatever the number, you personally affirm that 30% of the guys NWA hired as scabs are refusing to report for work: right?

Asking five blind guys to describe an elephant is dependant on where they grab a'hold. Still, your personal observation of a 30% failure rate is indicative of a massive failure on the part of NWA to secure the numbers necessary to break the AMFA.

 

[keeptheodds]

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KTO,

Whatever the number, you personally affirm that 30% of the guys NWA hired as scabs are refusing to report for work: right?

Asking five blind guys to describe an elephant is dependant on where they grab a'hold. Still, your personal observation of a 30% failure rate is indicative of a massive failure on the part of NWA to secure the numbers necessary to break the AMFA.

[post="290331"][/post]​

You might look at it as a 30% failure rate but it is actually a 10% miscalculation. A hypothesis. A theory that must be adjusted with reality. This was expected and therefore planned for. Just like you unrealistically expect 100% of your members to honor your own picket lines. Then to go in to this hoping for assistance from other unions, with out knowing their intentions, was flat out foolish. AMFA stands alone fighting a no win situation. I assure you other airlines are also assisting in the funding of all this training and helping NW on the side. They gave courses on stuff they had no buisness giving courses on. I really don't think that NW is going to screw the contractors either. The airlines are testing the waters and are building an army of contract workers. They take the initial hit and find out who they can trust for a future union busting army of contract workers. Regardless of which way this goes don't think this is the end.

 

[Bob Owens]

You might look at it as a 30% failure rate but it is actually a 10% miscalculation. A hypothesis. A theory that must be adjusted with reality. This was expected and therefore planned for. Just like you unrealistically expect 100% of your members to honor your own picket lines. Then to go in to this hoping for assistance from other unions, with out knowing their intentions, was flat out foolish. AMFA stands alone fighting a no win situation. I assure you other airlines are also assisting in the funding of all this training and helping NW on the side. They gave courses on stuff they had no buisness giving courses on. I really don't think that NW is going to screw the contractors either. The airlines are testing the waters and are building an army of contract workers. They take the initial hit and find out who they can trust for a future union busting army of contract workers. Regardless of which way this goes don't think this is the end.

[post="290333"][/post]​

Well actually replies like that are helpful.

Now if we can only get this presented at the international labor meeting in Chicago next week.

As you admit yourself you only intend to be a temporary worker. You already spent three months in training right? So if you are getting $26/hr and you stay three months then in reality its costing NWA over $54/hr for you to work on their aircraft, not counting the other costs sich as hotels, instructors etc.

When you leave they will have to reinvest the same training they gave to you into another temporary scab mechanic. And the cycle continues. So NWAs costs, despite a lower wage will go up instead of down.

 

[Bob Owens]

How could the IAM at EAL have been a "company friendly union" when that carrier was struck and put out of business? Maybe the IAM at EAL back then was far different from the IAM at the other airlines today. I can clearly remember that EAL and the IAM DL president, Charlie Bryan could never agree on anything. In fact, the battle seemed to get personal between the two (Borman vs. Bryan) and later (Bryan vs Lorenzo). Anyway, it was the membership who shut it down.

[post="290217"][/post]​

Its possible that you are both right.

Charlie Bryan, head of the EAl division of the IAM was a fighter, but he was undermined and betrayed by Whipsinger, head of the IAM International.

The IAM did not shut it down, the IAM members shut it down. The International would have preferred to keep the dues flowing thats why they demanded that the strikers obey the Judges injunction barring them from setting up secondary pickets (as allowed by the RLA) at the railroads.

The hypocrisy of our system where in the name of freedom we justify the deaths of our fellow Americans, and the killings of thousands of civilians, on foreign shores but here at home our freedom is pushed aside if it could temporarily impair commerce, the making of money by the rich and powerful, is bewildering. The tolerance of such hypocrisy by the people, especially the leaders, is sickening.

 

[pitguy]

IMHO ....amfa may have been ambushed.
NW files BK and AMFA has to go in and negotiate what was a contract now in a highly adversarial tone and then NW goes 1113 motions and all.......AMFA already rejected the last final offer....so where do we go from here??think they'll kowtow to 1113??
bottom line is they (NW) can and will show the judge how they need this 176 million relief.and the mr.niceguy thing will be out the window...look for "my way or the highway" type of neg's from here on out in BK.
then all the other labor groups will see the example AMFA caused on themselves and will willingly take concessions.
NW has AMFA by the balls if it goes BK.....
AMBUSH IS MURDER-MURDER IS FUN

[post="289935"][/post]​

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It has to make of these Republican voting mechanics proud.

 

[Bob Owens]

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It has to make of these Republican voting mechanics proud.

[post="290349"][/post]​

Lets not forget all the unions that are doing struck work too.

 

[keeptheodds]

When you leave they will have to reinvest the same training they gave to you into another temporary scab mechanic. And the cycle continues. So NWAs costs, despite a lower wage will go up instead of down.


When I leave NW will have a new permanent work force comprised of smart X-union workers and replacement workers that will roll over direct.

 

[markkus757]

Whether it's right or wrong, NWA is asking the mechanics to cut their own throats. If I worked as a F/A or a pilot, I probably wouldn't care. I already took my concession package and I would expect everyone else to take a hit as well. That's why planes will continue to fly until major bottlenecks crop up. The real question is how long can either side hold out? If I'm reading this correctly, NWA will take a hit now to lower costs in the long term. AMFA does not to want half of their represented employees to lose their jobs. Yet, CH. 11 will upon both and this strike will cripple the other unions during BK. All of the asks will go up and I would not be surprised if/when this happens that all of the rest of the unions force NWA to close its doors permanently. Management assumes that if they make examples of the mechs, that everyone else will fall in line in BK. I think everyone else just printed up 1000s of resumes and bought 100s of stamps for the coming months.

 

[keeptheodds]

Whether it's right or wrong, NWA is asking the mechanics to cut their own throats. If I worked as a F/A or a pilot, I probably wouldn't care. I already took my concession package and I would expect everyone else to take a hit as well. That's why planes will continue to fly until major bottlenecks crop up. The real question is how long can either side hold out? If I'm reading this correctly, NWA will take a hit now to lower costs in the long term. AMFA does not to want half of their represented employees to lose their jobs. Yet, CH. 11 will upon both and this strike will cripple the other unions during BK. All of the asks will go up and I would not be surprised if/when this happens that all of the rest of the unions force NWA to close its doors permanently. Management assumes that if they make examples of the mechs, that everyone else will fall in line in BK. I think everyone else just printed up 1000s of resumes and bought 100s of stamps for the coming months.

[post="290445"][/post]​

The die hards aren't bright enough to realiz that.

 

[Busdrvr]

When you leave they will have to reinvest the same training they gave to you into another temporary scab mechanic. And the cycle continues. So NWAs costs, despite a lower wage will go up instead of down.
When I leave NW will have a new permanent work force comprised of smart X-union workers and replacement workers that will roll over direct.

[post="290427"][/post]​

No they won't. they'll have a force of employees they can easily jetison when a merger offer is made. They'll provide a bunch of mech jobs for the CAL unions.... Make no mistake, each and every one of those mechanics, who are so incompetant that they couldn't get a better paying job fixing chevys, is a TEMP worker and will take away something from NWA other than a couple weeks of pay, they'll take away the lable of a scab, and they'll leave behind any honor or dignity they ever had. You're no better than a wh0re, and a $5 one at that.

 

[Bob Owens]

No they won't. they'll have a force of employees they can easily jetison when a merger offer is made. They'll provide a bunch of mech jobs for the CAL unions.... Make no mistake, each and every one of those mechanics, who are so incompetant that they couldn't get a better paying job fixing chevys, is a TEMP worker and will take away something from NWA other than a couple weeks of pay, they'll take away the lable of a scab, and they'll leave behind any honor or dignity they ever had. You're no better than a wh0re, and a $5 one at that.

[post="290598"][/post]​

Now be fair, a $25 whore. Otherwise I like your post.

 

[WNjetdoc]

Now be fair, a $25 whore. Otherwise I like your post.

[post="290605"][/post]​

"they'll take away the lable of a scab, and they'll leave behind any honor or dignity they ever had."


The simple act of crossing that line proved that Honor,dignity or integrity never existed to begin with. Therefore the lable of SCAB is not givin but earned.

If you recognize any of the scabs posted on the AMFA local 5 website as former coworkers......he's probably the same guy that was stealing your tools and the company's too!!

 

[Dizel8]

Scab says:"Now I have a mission...AMFA is going down."

Since you are simply a hired thug, why do you wish ill upon AMFA? The vast majority of AMFA members are simply hard working people, who are trying to better their lives for their families and themselves. While you may not realize it, you are not taking a job away from a nameless entity, such as AMFA, you are stealing jobs from regular Joes, men and women with families to feed and mortgages to pay.

You do not care, but you should, because through your actions, the pay for Mechs will decrease further and further. Sure, there will always be contract jobs, you can go from one MRO to the next, but with unionized wage level depressed and more Mechs on the street, the wage will creep lower and lower.

So I am surprised, that you are deciding to slit your own wrist and appaled at the way you try to justify your actions, however, I have hopes, that one day, you will see the errors of your way and that the day you need help, no one will offer.

As Busdriver said, when you wife sleeps with another man, do not get upset, she is just an opportunist, just like you!

 

[Hackman]

My posts was originally meant to inform you guys of what was going on over here. Not to ridicule. However with the hostile posts here you turned it into something else altogether. Your AMFA has lied to you as much as NW. AMFA is going to cost a lot of people their jobs. Where you could have inquired and asked questions about NW's strategy and made decisions on other information than AMFA's propaganda.You decided to riducle and hate right off the bat. So yes this has become personal. I have now choosen a side. NW will win this. As far as me being an overachiever, I was just bored. Now I have a mission...AMFA is going down.

[post="290322"][/post]​

Hmmm, AMFA is going down? It looks like the MEL(if you know what this is) rate is not going down, its skyrocketing scab!!!!! Over 800, and its not even Monday rush hour yet! Stack 'em deep, and sell 'em cheap.

Read this from Joe http://www.amfa33.org/nwa_flight_news_by_joe.htm , who is a fairly sharp business travel reporter. Seems all the lies to the paid off press about NWA "flawless" past two days with the lowlife scabs is faltering... heh, heh, heh, severly.

You get what you pay for. Go get 'em overachiever!!! Don't forget to wipe your chin!!!

BTW TKO, Where did you end up scabbing at loser???

 

[Kev3188]

.... It looks like the MEL(if you know what this is) rate is not going down, its skyrocketing scab!!!!! Over 800, and its not even Monday rush hour yet!.....

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800? Really? What is that, almost 2 per plane?

Is there a limit on how many MEL's a plane (or fleet) can have?