Scabs

[Bob Owens]

800? Really? What is that, almost 2 per plane?

Is there a limit on how many MEL's a plane (or fleet) can have?

[post="290720"][/post]​

There is not really a defined number that I know of however there is a limit as to how long they can remain deferred. Deferral authorization is often conditional based upon the proper operation of redundant systems, so while each system or component individually may be deferred both or often two out of three are not.

So as the deferrals add up they run out of options should other things fail. Pilots can be a great help to mechanics by simply reporting every anomaly they observe, then letting maintenance figure out what caused it,or in NWAs case now-not.

After a while the MELs add up and some run out of time, once they do, the plane is grounded. More than likely thats when serious pencil whipping starts.

 

[delldude]

People its been really fun and I'm very interested in visiting this board again after every thing is over with. Once again good luck.

Give me a call when my name hits that scab list.

[post="289903"][/post]​

fill this out and get it in asap....

 

[keeptheodds]

No they won't. they'll have a force of employees they can easily jetison when a merger offer is made. They'll provide a bunch of mech jobs for the CAL unions.... Make no mistake, each and every one of those mechanics, who are so incompetant that they couldn't get a better paying job fixing chevys, is a TEMP worker and will take away something from NWA other than a couple weeks of pay, they'll take away the lable of a scab, and they'll leave behind any honor or dignity they ever had. You're no better than a wh0re, and a $5 one at that.

[post="290598"][/post]​

If that is the way it works out so be it.

 

[aafsc]

If that is the way it works out so be it.

[post="291064"][/post]​

So you have no problem with contributing to the lowering of the A/C maintanence standards and quality of life for workers in this country?

 

[keeptheodds]

So you have no problem with contributing to the lowering of the A/C maintanence standards and quality of life for workers in this country?

[post="291071"][/post]​

Your money hungry unions have nothing to do with the region I live. Where I am from, you make your own choices about your profession and how much money you will make. You negotiate your own pay and either accept or deny the offer. You then perform your duties or go find another job elsewhere. It’s not difficult. You guys how ever form a gang, pay warlock for protection, then follow his every word. Accompany has a right to operate at will as long as it is within bounds of government standards. Not your nazi dictator standards. If you don't like what’s going on you leave.

 

[Dizel8]

Did those standards come about, because the goverment was pushing them or did it happen, because unions "asked" for them.

You are clearly delusional, if you believe the goverment, and the money behind it, requested safer mine operations or duty times for aviation employees or truckdrivers etc.

You have shown your colours to prospective employers, they know you are a hired gun, who can be bought for little indeed. You think NWA mangement has any respect for you, if so, you are seriously mistaken. They want you to accomplish a nasty, dirty job, once that is done, you are gone. Sure, you want to be a drifter for the rest of your life, well, got luck with that, just remember, that when proud men faced adversity, you crawled on your knees and that has earned you the scab label.

 

[keeptheodds]

Did those standards come about, because the goverment was pushing them or did it happen, because unions "asked" for them.

You are clearly delusional, if you believe the goverment, and the money behind it, requested safer mine operations or duty times for aviation employees or truckdrivers etc.

You have shown your colours to prospective employers, they know you are a hired gun, who can be bought for little indeed. You think NWA mangement has any respect for you, if so, you are seriously mistaken. They want you to accomplish a nasty, dirty job, once that is done, you are gone. Sure, you want to be a drifter for the rest of your life, well, got luck with that, just remember, that when proud men faced adversity, you crawled on your knees and that has earned you the scab label.

[post="291116"][/post]​

You people are about 100 years behind your time. Lets live in the present and work on the future. Your ideas aren’t about the future of the industry your ideas are about saving your glorified welfare. The rest of the industry see this and that is why AMFA is standing alone in the cold dying.

 

[aafsc]

Your money hungry unions have nothing to do with the region I live. Where I am from, you make your own choices about your profession and how much money you will make. You negotiate your own pay and either accept or deny the offer. You then perform your duties or go find another job elsewhere. It’s not difficult. You guys how ever form a gang, pay warlock for protection, then follow his every word. Accompany has a right to operate at will as long as it is within bounds of government standards. Not your nazi dictator standards. If you don't like what’s going on you leave.

[post="291109"][/post]​

Government standards as in FAA standards? Let me tell you a true story you a$$wipe. My father was an A&P for Eastern Airlines and went on strike. My father was not one of the more militant union members. He did his job professionally and paid his union dues. Anyway, one day my father was working an RB-211, that went on the L-10-11 (in case you did not know). The engine was spewing a inordinate amount of oil so my father refused to sign it off. They (EAL management) phoned my dads house and told him that if he did not sign the engine off they would terminate him. My dad told the supervisor "you have an A&P why don't you sign it off?" The supervisor's response, " I'm not signing it off." So my dad called the union (IAM) and the FAA. The FAA was out there the next day and to make a long story short, my father was correct, the engine was not fit to fly. This was during the Lorenzo era and all they were concerned about was production-not safety. The IAM told the media that EAL was compromizing safety but the IAM was dismissed as malcontents and rabble rousers. Later, after the strike, it was discovered by the FAA that EAL was engaged in serious pencil whipping in JFK and they lost their maintanence certificate there. EAL pled not guilty at the time. But after EAL shutdown, they changed their plea to guilty and the supervisors/scabs (who did Lorenzo's bidding) were held responsible. I heard they asked the EAL estate for legal help and EAL gave them the middle finger.

You said there are no unions in the region where you live. By chance do you live in West Virgia? Did you ever work for that outfit that rigged the elevator cables wrong on that commuter that crashed into the hangar in CLT killing those people?

You better be real careful about what you sign off at NW under pressure from management because there is no union to back you up scab. Remember the fate of EAL's pencil whipping lemmings.

 

[Dizel8]

Those who do not learn from the past are bound to encounter it in the future.

Take a look around you and see the raping that has been occuring to the working man. NAFTA, CAFTA, outsourcing etc. Take a look at what has happened at most airlines, layoffs, contracts ignored or voided. Corporate America does not give a crap about you, they care about money. Somehow, you think you are immune to that. Somehow, you think you will always be able to walk away when an employer ask you to do something unsafe, keep living in fantasy land.

Yes, hard times are upon the business, most realize that, but having scabs likes you only perpetuates the problem. If unions are no big deal where you come from, then why have a beef with AMFA? If you are so successful, then why scab at NWA?

I think, that you are probably a loser, who never achieved crap in your life and that you can only get ahead, by stealing from others. Hey, I got a few bucks in my pocket, why don't you steal them or perhaps my TV!

 

[keeptheodds]

Government standards as in FAA standards? Let me tell you a true story you a$$wipe. My father was an A&P for Eastern Airlines and went on strike. My father was not one of the more militant union members. He did his job professionally and paid his union dues. Anyway, one day my father was working an RB-211, that went on the L-10-11 (in case you did not know). The engine was spewing a inordinate amount of oil so my father refused to sign it off. They (EAL management) phoned my dads house and told him that if he did not sign the engine off they would terminate him. My dad told the supervisor "you have an A&P why don't you sign it off?" The supervisor's response, " I'm not signing it off." So my dad called the union (IAM) and the FAA. The FAA was out there the next day and to make a long story short, my father was correct, the engine was not fit to fly. This was during the Lorenzo era and all they were concerned about was production-not safety. The IAM told the media that EAL was compromizing safety but the IAM was dismissed as malcontents and rabble rousers. Later, after the strike, it was discovered by the FAA that EAL was engaged in serious pencil whipping in JFK and they lost their maintanence certificate there. EAL pled not guilty at the time. But after EAL shutdown, they changed their plea to guilty and the supervisors/scabs (who did Lorenzo's bidding) were held responsible. I heard they asked the EAL estate for legal help and EAL gave them the middle finger.

You said there are no unions in the region where you live. By chance do you live in West Virgia? Did you ever work for that outfit that rigged the rudder cables wrong on that commuter that crashed into the hangar in CLT killing those people?

You better be real careful about what you sign off at NW under pressure from management because there is no union to back you up scab. Remember the fate of EAL's pencil whipping lemmings.

[post="291127"][/post]​

Bravo for your Dad. All A&P's should operate under that example.
However you do not need a union to do your bidding for you. I wouldnt have signed it off either I would have forced them to fire me then called the FAA. After the FAA investigation and they still fired me you get a lawyer. Its a bit more work on your part but thats just life.

 

[Dizel8]

Scab, you wouldn't do the right thing, you are not man enough, you crossing a picketline is proof of that. You will do your masters bidding and lick his boots.

Soon you will be back on the street, looking for another temporary job, except this time, you are not just a loser, you are also a scab. Somehow, I do not think many will drink beer with you, scabs social circle has a tendency to collapse rather quickly. Heck, even you wife may start to see what kind of scum you truly are, but perhaps you can just beat some sense into her, after all, isn't that what scum like you do?

 

[keeptheodds]

So you have no problem with contributing to the lowering of the A/C maintanence standards and quality of life for workers in this country?

[post="291071"][/post]​

I have no control over either. Nor do you or your union. The market dictates all. Every individual is responsible for his own well being in normal everyday life. Most people put all their eggs in one basket. Then when something goes wrong there is no plan B. So they join a gang to make themselves feel safer about their choices. Then when that fails like it is doing here they get mad at the world like Bob does.

I can work in the aviation industry with just a phone call. I can work in the carpentry business with just one phone call. I can work in the medical equipment business with just one phone call. I can work in the electrical business with one phone call. I can go home and live off my wife with just one plane ticket.

One must be very diversified to live in today’s world.

 

[Dizel8]

So, with all those choices, you chose to be a scab!

 

[FA Mikey]

I can work in the aviation industry with just a phone call. I can work in the carpentry business with just one phone call. I can work in the medical equipment business with just one phone call. I can work in the electrical business with one phone call. I can go home and live off my wife with just one plane ticket.

One must be very diversified to live in today’s world.

[post="291138"][/post]​

Ahhh the life of a scab. Guess there is always a need in business to hire someone to screw decent hard working people.

 

[aafsc]

Bravo for your Dad. All A&P's should operate under that example.
However you do not need a union to do your bidding for you. I wouldnt have signed it off either I would have forced them to fire me then called the FAA. After the FAA investigation and they still fired me you get a lawyer. Its a bit more work on your part but thats just life.

[post="291132"][/post]​

I disagree, whistle blowers do not fare very well in this country at all and AMTs need all the help they can get. Especially now that there are more planes flying than ever before, unbridled corporate greed gone wild, and less FAA inspectors than ever. Besides getting a lawyer to get you your job back would be expensive and could take years. And if you did get your job back they will find another unrelated reason to fire you as punishment for whistleblowing.