Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

I believe it has worked for our country. We do have some major issues going on right now but don't you think that if we had some terror attacks things could be way worse?

Seatacus,

Do you Honestly believe that if John Kerry had been elected in 04', that he(Kerry) would have done a Worse job than W Actually did these last 4 years ??

Diverting attention Away from Afganinistan, so it's at the point that it is Today,..Is INEXCUSABLE !!

Also, whats your opinion of CHENEY Arrogantly saying(in so many words)..."Forget WMD,......we were going into Iraq, NO MATTER what anyone thought about it" ???????????????

Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Paul Wolfowitz should be held responsible for WAR CRIMES, starting on 1/"21"/09(obviously the POTUS gets a "get out of jail card FREE")

 

[KCFlyer]

The other consideration is that with Al-Queda having to tie up most of its resources in Irag and Afghanistan the world is a safer place in general.

I am of the belief that not ALL of al queda is tied up in Iraq. I am actually rather concerned that of the 5 million illegal aliens that crossed the Mexican border since 2001, not all of them were Mexican laborers.

When you're a politician, leader of government and military you take a very corporate view of casualities. However if you're a parent and it's YOU who has to greet your son or daughter at Dover AFB (that's where the morgue is) then things get up close and personal.

Boy....you're right about that. And I think that before we decided to invade Iraq under ANY circumstances, the American people needed to be called upon to sacrifice...reinstitute the draft and THEN see how much support there was among the American people for this foolhardy war. I have no problem with Afghanistan...I was behind Bush 110% when he went after those that attacked us. 99% of the world was behind us. Then he decided that Saddam was a bigger threat BEFORE he took out the one that attacked us. He and his administration claimed they not only knew Iraq had WMD...they knew exactly where they were. Then they couldn't find them. And this "corporate president" that we have didn't just view casualties in a corporate view...he incorporated into a freaking comedy act....looking under sofas and behind curtains claiming "they gotta be around here somewhere"....while American servicemen DIED because our actions in Iraq. The man should be tried on murder charges. But I digress. IMHO, we wouldn't be any closer to Iraq than the Afghan border had the draft been reinstated. It's one thing to "support our troops" with a silly assed yellow ribbon on a car....it's a whole different thing when you are asked to support the troops by sending your son or daughter over there to fight the battle.

There was a die hard Bush supporter in my office who happens to have two sons...one 19 and the other one 21 back in 2003. She was a big troop supporter...a big Bush supporter. One day in the lunch room, I said that I felt that the draft would have to be reinstated. She didn't miss a beat...."Oh, I hope not". I didn't bother asking her if that changed her position on the war.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

John Kerry aka Mr Thersa Heinz is possibly the biggest putz to ever win a major party nomination.

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Piney,

Maybe there is some validity to what you say,.....However,......NO ONE could have done a Worse job as POTUS(04'-08') than W !........................"NO ONE" !!!!!!!!


As for CHENEY (hypothetically)Admitting that there was NO WMD is (very good) Grounds for an Indictment against him/Rummy/and "Wolffie"

Whether(or not) BO wants to go after those SOB's(and sadly I don't think he will) remains to be seen............. I'd give ANYTHING to see those "mothers" dragged in(in cuffs), to appear before Henry Waxman/Patrick Fitzgerald !!
(Blago would have to be put on "ice" for a while)


Piney,................THINK,....................Think LONG and HARD about the THOUSANDS of poor Bas***d's that DIED over there because of (dirty) DICK !!!!!!

 

[Seatacus]

Seatacus,

Do you Honestly believe that if John Kerry had been elected in 04', that he(Kerry) would have done a Worse job than W Actually did these last 4 years ??

We will never know, will we. Could have done better, could have done worse. It really doesn't matter, does it?

 

[KCFlyer]

I did think about the thousands who died, RIGHT HERE!!

I'm 125 miles away from Ground Zero and to be quite frank when it comes to Iraq and Afghanistan I say "Kill 'em all and let God sort'em out". Truth be told I don't care how many got killed unless they are US Military.

I'm sorry but I DO make the distinction. If the extremists want to meet Allah I think the very best thing we can do is halp them on their way.

You guys make it out like Bush is evile incarnate, he's just another flawed politician just like Obama. Primary difference being one you like and one you don't and since I don't like either one of them I don't much care.

Truth is with my mentality regarding our country being attacked I'd make Bush and Cheney look like gay lovers on the issue. If I had my way we could all visit Sadr's Madhi Army in Baghdad because that's where they'd be buried. if I had my way on 9/12 the INS would have swooped down on every university in this country and if your student visa had expired then back home for you! NO EXCEPTIONS. If the INS couldn't find you then count on your face being on the evening news as a wanted fugitive.

No profiling, no Patriot Act just good old law enforcement.

So let me get this straight....you are all for killing Iraqi's because they are Muslims,,,and if they were practicing Muslims, faced a very real threat of being killed by Saddam who was perhaps the most secular leader in the Middle East...but would give the Saudi's...who in large part FUNDED the attacks on the US. IMHO, Bush and Cheney are evil incarnate - they led this country to war by convincing the American public that we were so close to having a "mushroom cloud" over America because of Saddam Hussein that most American's supported an invasion. Sorry - but IMHO, what Bush did in Iraq would have been akin to having Roosevelt bomb the crap out of Korea because Japan attacked us. They all "looked Asian". The rest of the world suggested a different tactic when it came to Iraq...Bush gave them the middle finger.

And I can appreciate that the 9/11 attacks happened close to your home. As I said - I backed Bush 110% when he went after the bastards who did that. But invading Iraq - who had a nasty leader, but didn't attack us or even threaten to attack us, was sort of like having a hoodlum kill your brother, and then having you kill the hoodlums next door neighbor, who wasn't related to the guy at all, for revenge.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Piney,

FYI,........on 9/11, I TOO was living 125 miles from "GZ"(in New London CT.)

Assuming your theory of..."Shoot FIRST, then ask questions later", is valid(IMHO it's Not), then after Afghanistan, our next VICTIM should have been N. Korea, an adversary.....FAR MORE...dangerous to us, than Iraq !

Whether your aware of it or not Piney, Your theory has a familiar "ring" to it, in that we've seen it BEFORE here in the "good ol' USA". It's called MANIFEST DESTINY.(Piney, I'm sure you remember your US History, and the PHONEY Christian Manifest Destiny, that was used against the American Indians) !!!!!

What Cheney/Rummy and "Wolffie" did (w/Iraq) Was ILLEGAL, and Morally WRONG, and I hope to GOD they get a "Date" with Henry Waxman.

 

[Cosworth]

KC Flyer,

If Bush is as you say then you've lumped him in with the likes of Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Josef Stalin and of course his old buddy Adolph Hitler. That giant sucking sound is the validity of your argument and your credibility going out the door.

Kill all Muslims? Nope, we need some to work the oil fields Don't be silly! However if you ask me to value the life of a US citzen military or non military against the life of either a terrorist and their supporters who just happen to be Muslim men of Arabic descent, I figure ONE life of a US citizen is equal to about 10,000 lives of the above described. If that citizen happens to be US military then double the value of that life.

They want to come to kill us or die trying I suggest we gleefully accomodate them wherever they might be. The job of the US Federal Government is keep its citizens safe and if it means box car loads of dead enemy then I'm OK with that.

And here I thought the US was a country based on law and order, do the right thing for the right reason, treat all humans as equal, innocent till proven guilty and all that hokey stuff. Glad you dispelled that myth.

Bush said we were in Iraq to 'spread democracy' and yet

I figure ONE life of a US citizen is equal to about 10,000 lives of the above described.

. Do you see any conflict here? I am guessing you don't. To borrow your phrase

That giant sucking sound is the validity of your argument and your credibility going out the door.

 

[KCFlyer]

KC Flyer,

If Bush is as you say then you've lumped him in with the likes of Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Josef Stalin and of course his old buddy Adolph Hitler. That giant sucking sound is the validity of your argument and your credibility going out the door.

Really? Hitler and Idi Amin also thought their way was the better way. Is there any war fought in history where either side claimed "we are the bad guys"? Can you really force a democracy on people who didn't really want one enough to rise up and fight for it themselves? I mean - the colonists in Colonial American fought for their democracy...we didn't have the French come in and "liberate" us from the tyranny of the King. Why was it necessary to liberate Iraqi's from Saddam? Iraq was not responsible for the death of one American 125 miles from your front door. There wasn't an Iraqi hijacker on any of those planes. Explain to me again why it was right to go into Iraq.

However if you ask me to value the life of a US citzen military or non military against the life of either a terrorist and their supporters who just happen to be Muslim men of Arabic descent, I figure ONE life of a US citizen is equal to about 10,000 lives of the above described. If that citizen happens to be US military then double the value of that life.

I don't necessarily disagree with that - however, is it right to invade a country that did nothing to you? A country that didn't harbor Islamic fundamentalists, because quite frankly, their leader didn't tolerate Islamic fundamentalists? Want to know the surest way to get an Iraqi kid enlisted into a terrorist organization? Kill his mother and call it "collateral damage".

They want to come to kill us or die trying I suggest we gleefully accomodate them wherever they might be. The job of the US Federal Government is keep its citizens safe and if it means box car loads of dead enemy then I'm OK with that.

Exactly when did the Iraqi people become our enemy? As I said, no Iraqi was involved in the 9/11 attacks. Iraq didn't support the terrorists who WERE involved in the attacks. On the other hand, Saudi Arabia offered much more financial support than Iraq ever did. Saudi schoolchildren are the ones being taught to hate Americans. How come Bush gave them a pass, but invaded a country that didn't do anything to us? It looks more and more like "liberating Iraq" was code for "get the oil fields".

 

[Cosworth]

The US is indeed a country based on law and order and snatching up all without current legal status and giving them their day in court is Law and Order. One of the remidies at the disposal of the INS and the courts is deportation. I would suggest that instead of the various and sundry bailouts we create a court systems that applys immigration laws swiftly and surely. One of the way to fund this would be to end the insane war on drugs, Legalize them, license manufacturers and tax the bejesus out of the product and treat it as what it is, A public health issue. Same for prostitution. Do this and you feee up plenty of prison space for illegal aliens awaiting trial and you'd have the money to pay for it. Also keep in mind that more people are killed in ONE YEAR from drunk driving then have ever been killed by a heroin overdose since records were kept.

We don't need the Patriot Act, we need common sense and a pair of balls to say to the world "We're done playing!"

First thing that needs to happen is the inscription on the Statue of Liberty needs to be changed as does what she is holding in her hands.

Lady Liberty needs a makeover. She needs a loiusville slugger in her hands and the inscription "YO! You want a Piece of Me Mo Fo"[/b

We should not have entered Iraq for several reasons. We did and that can't be changed. Now that we are there I do NOT want it to be a repeat of Viet Nam.

Freedom and Liberty in Iraq would have been obtained without the US, it would have been messier which would have jeopardized the world oil supply. I just wish somebody would have told us that from jump and I'd likely be behind the war, now at best I have misgivings over the whole thing.

This is going to be a cold day in hell. I think I agree with you for the most part. I agree that we need tighter controls on immigration. I feel that you are going about it the wrong way. Rounding up illegal immigrants is going to be far too costly and difficult. I would suggest going after it at the other end. Go after the employers. If they get fined $X.XX for each violation then the jobs dry up. If there is no work I would suspect that the immigration will subside as well.

As for drugs and prostitution. Good luck with that one. The religious nut jobs in this nation won't go for that. I am all for it but I do not agree with the tax idea. It should be taxed just like anything else. If you tax it too high you will create a black market like there is with cigarettes between the US/Canada border.

I do not agree with the idea of changing Ms. Liberty. I think the words at her feet epitomize whath is country was and is about. I think we need to keep a much better eye on who comes in and goes out but we still need to be the place where people in trouble can turn too for help.

 

[tech2101]

The latest breaking news on the incident!

 

[dapoes]

Just imagine "if the shoe was on the other foot" and how would it look upon us if a foreign leader was in our country and a US reporter acted the same way. Its actually quite embarrassing for the Iraqi people.

 

[dapoes]

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Piney,

Maybe there is some validity to what you say,.....However,......NO ONE could have done a Worse job as POTUS(04'-08') than W !........................"NO ONE" !!!!!!!!


As for CHENEY (hypothetically)Admitting that there was NO WMD is (very good) Grounds for an Indictment against him/Rummy/and "Wolffie"

Whether(or not) BO wants to go after those SOB's(and sadly I don't think he will) remains to be seen............. I'd give ANYTHING to see those "mothers" dragged in(in cuffs), to appear before Henry Waxman/Patrick Fitzgerald !!
(Blago would have to be put on "ice" for a while)


Piney,................THINK,....................Think LONG and HARD about the THOUSANDS of poor Bas***d's that DIED over there because of (dirty) DICK !!!!!!

Im sure in the future looking back, history will have an all too different tale to tell. And as far as the worse potus...our current president elect is already setting himself up for that prize already.

 

[tech2101]

And as far as the worse potus...our current president elect is already setting himself up for that prize already.

Wow. Your ability to see into the future must come in handy.

 

[novaqt]

Im sure in the future looking back, history will have an all too different tale to tell. And as far as the worse potus...our current president elect is already setting himself up for that prize already.

You are absolutely right. "O" and his Clinton retreads will be the gift that keeps on giving and he hasn't even taken office. Crook county, here we come!!! Oh, I'm loving this already.....

 

[tech2101]

You are absolutely right. "O" and his Clinton retreads will be the gift that keeps on giving and he hasn't even taken office. Crook county, here we come!!! Oh, I'm loving this already.....

Great! Another sage.

How about you highlight the ten points of light of the "W" presidential terms.