Streets of Baghdad safer than America

[North by Northwest]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,348209,00.html

 

[Gilding the Lily]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,348209,00.html

I fail to see the connection in that article between the safeness of Baghdad Streets and America. I suppose you did that for effect?

I would love to hear the response of Youssif, the 5-year-old Iraqi boy, when you tell him that America is more dangerous than Baghdad.

 

[USAir757]

I heard somewhere that there are more killings in Detroit per year than in Baghdad, is that true? Of course, that probably has little to do with illegal foreign nationals, but it's an interesting statistic.

Anyway, this story is absolutely terrible, and we should be outraged at the laws in Los Angeles County, and any municipal government that holds similar statutes. I heard an LA city councilman on television say something to the effect, "well we don't want to persecute the folks that are here illegally because of the bad will it would bring to our community. We don't want them to be scared of dealing with law enforcement." I couldn't believe my effin ears! :rant:

 

[North by Northwest]

I fail to see the connection in that article between the safeness of Baghdad Streets and America. I suppose you did that for effect?

I would love to hear the response of Youssif, the 5-year-old Iraqi boy, when you tell him that America is more dangerous than Baghdad.

The connection is...while we spend 1/2 Trillion US taxpayer dollars on the violent worn torn streets of Baghdad (attempting to make it safe), young American high school students are being murdered in the streets of LA by illegal foreign nationals.

What you might show some interest in is the response from DEAD American high school student Jamel Shaw as to why you are concerned with the response of youssif vs. the 5 year olds that are being murdered in the streets of LA (where our money should be spent).

It may be for effect for you. Jamel's mother was serving in Iraq, the US government is more concerned with making the streets of Baghdad safer than the streets of LA (with hundreds of thousands of criminal illegal foreign nationals roaming the streets)

I can see this next riot spreading across the country over illegal aliens. I know here in LA people are VERY VERY angry.

 

[North by Northwest]

I heard somewhere that there are more killings in Detroit per year than in Baghdad, is that true? Of course, that probably has little to do with illegal foreign nationals, but it's an interesting statistic.

Anyway, this story is absolutely terrible, and we should be outraged at the laws in Los Angeles County, and any municipal government that holds similar statutes. I heard an LA city councilman on television say something to the effect, "well we don't want to persecute the folks that are here illegally because of the bad will it would bring to our community. We don't want them to be scared of dealing with law enforcement." I couldn't believe my effin ears! :rant:

Last year, the estimated number of Americans killed by illegal aliens since 2001 was over 58,000.

 

[Gilding the Lily]

The connection is...while we spend 1/2 Trillion US taxpayer dollars on the violent worn torn streets of Baghdad (attempting to make it safe), young American high school students are being murdered in the streets of LA by illegal foreign nationals.

What you might show some interest in is the response from DEAD American high school student Jamel Shaw as to why you are concerned with the response of youssif vs. the 5 year olds that are being murdered in the streets of LA (where our money should be spent).

It may be for effect for you. Jamel's mother was serving in Iraq, the US government is more concerned with making the streets of Baghdad safer than the streets of LA (with hundreds of thousands of criminal illegal foreign nationals roaming the streets)

I can see this next riot spreading across the country over illegal aliens. I know here in LA people are VERY VERY angry.

Don't get me wrong, bud... I absolutely agree that we should be spending great care in protecting citizens in our major metropolitan areas. I also hope to see a quick end to the actions in Iraq. I take exception, however, to the title of your thread.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Actually, you both(..NxNW/Lilly..) make valid points.

Me ? I have a "personal solution" to both problems !

Cold..Cold Wx.( I love cold weather/DESPISE the heat) !!!!!!!! (ex: Alaska/Western Canada...Alberta...BC/minus Vancouver, Montana/Idaho/Wyoming, and the Dakotas. All those favorite places of mine, that BIG RED flies into.

The day that I can't find peace in the above forementioned places, well, it's off to Greenland !!

 

[Gilding the Lily]

North by Northwest,

I mentioned this earlier in another thread, but you may just get your wish: The federal gov't may start becoming more concerned with illegal immigrants in our country.

History has shown that our government has, generally speaking, based its immigration policy and enforcement off the country's perceived need for a cheap labor force. If our future economic picture continues to look bleak, the federal gov't may start perceiving less use of a cheap labor force. Using history as my guide, I believe the government will start to enforce a stricter immigration policy.

For example, in the 1910's to early 1920's, Congress responded to the needs of agricultural employers in the southwest by creating the first temporary-worker program. Once that need for cheap labor was gone, they used sticks. For example, to drive Mexicans back to Mexico during the Great Depression, the U.S. denied Mexican laborers many welfare benefits. Then, in the 40's and 50's when cheap labor was once again needed, the U.S. responded to wartime calls by agricultural employers for a Mexican fieldworker labor force. In the late 50's, the INS retook control over the border and expelled illegal migrant workers.

 

[El Che]

North by Northwest,

I mentioned this earlier in another thread, but you may just get your wish: The federal gov't may start becoming more concerned with illegal immigrants in our country.

History has shown that our government has, generally speaking, based its immigration policy and enforcement off the country's perceived need for a cheap labor force. If our future economic picture continues to look bleak, the federal gov't may start perceiving less use of a cheap labor force. Using history as my guide, I believe the government will start to enforce a stricter immigration policy.

For example, in the 1910's to early 1920's, Congress responded to the needs of agricultural employers in the southwest by creating the first temporary-worker program. Once that need for cheap labor was gone, they used sticks. For example, to drive Mexicans back to Mexico during the Great Depression, the U.S. denied Mexican laborers many welfare benefits. Then, in the 40's and 50's when cheap labor was once again needed, the U.S. responded to wartime calls by agricultural employers for a Mexican fieldworker labor force. In the late 50's, the INS retook control over the border and expelled illegal migrant workers.

Naturally, north americans feel that all these illegals come here because they can reap the benefits of the wonderful american welfare system. They leave their homes, families, traditions just for the priviledge of comming here to be second class citizens; earning meager wages ,working in poor conditions and for the added pleasure of serving the "americahnoes" as maids, land scapers, etc..
Americans do not see this wave of humanity (many of you don't see them as humans) as a direct result of the foreign policy carried out by the yanqui imperialist U.S government at the behest of the corporate elite. This is another case of the chickens comming home to roost. The yanqui imperialist U.S. government foments revolutions and instability in Latin America, for the benefit of a few corporate and political elite; then it turns around and acts like the victim when there is backlash. The result of all this meddling in Latin American politics is the invasion from south of the border.
The U.S. government doen't stop illegal immigration because its corporate masters want them here. :down:

 

[USAir757]

Naturally, north americans feel that all these illegals come here because they can reap the benefits of the wonderful american welfare system. They leave their homes, families, traditions just for the priviledge of comming here to be second class citizens; earning meager wages ,working in poor conditions and for the added pleasure of serving the "americahnoes" as maids, land scapers, etc..

Earning on average 30-50 times more than they could potentially earn at home in Mexico.... (oops... forgot that part, didn't you?)

Americans do not see this wave of humanity (many of you don't see them as humans) as a direct result of the foreign policy carried out by the yanqui imperialist U.S government at the behest of the corporate elite.

Yes, I'm sure if you were to go to Mexico and query a thousand Mexicans at random, they'd all quickly tell you that the U.S. government has them by the neck! The government can't control our own people, but they sure got a hold of them Mexicans.... :blink:

The yanqui imperialist U.S. government foments revolutions and instability in Latin America, for the benefit of a few corporate and political elite; then it turns around and acts like the victim when there is backlash..... The U.S. government doen't stop illegal immigration because its corporate masters want them here.

Just out of curiosity, what country do you come from? Are you writing from some Jihad camp in Afghanistan? Maybe you can enlighten us as to how all of the 535 elected members of the united states congress are in on this scheme to dupe the world for the benefit of six men in a smoke-filled room, laughing while they bathe and wipe their noses with hundred dollar bills. Then please go on to explain how the elections are fixed (requiring the participation of tens of thousands of other people).... then go onto say that we're controlled by the media (oh, and of course, so are all the Mexicans).... we all can't wait to hear your wacky views on the world!

Get ready! There's going to be a Conspiracy Theorist cleanup on Aisle 4!

 

[El Che]

Earning on average 30-50 times more than they could potentially earn at home in Mexico.... (oops... forgot that part, didn't you?)

Because the first thing the"free traders" do is debase a nation's currency before they impose the World Bank/IMF trifecta (AKA the Washington consensus): Deregualtion, privatization and reduction in social spending.

Yes, I'm sure if you were to go to Mexico and query a thousand Mexicans at random, they'd all quickly tell you that the U.S. government has them by the neck! The government can't control our own people, but they sure got a hold of them Mexicans.... :blink:

In your little cnn/fox indoctrinated mind, we are all Mexicans. Never mind the rest of us that come from El Caribe to La Patagonia. Our demographics range from Asians to the desendants of the Incas, Mayas and Aztecs, African slaves, Europeans and any mixture of the afore mentioned groups. Again, the policies imposed on these countries in the name of "free trade" is what causes the migration of its peoples. When it comes to Mexico, the Mexican government wants those people to leave. If those people chose to stay, they might get pissed enough to start a revolution. The Mexican government and its yanqui (pronounced jankee) master does not want a revolution in Mexico. I for one, wish there would be one.

Just out of curiosity, what country do you come from? Are you writing from some Jihad camp in Afghanistan? Maybe you can enlighten us as to how all of the 535 elected members of the united states congress are in on this scheme to dupe the world for the benefit of six men in a smoke-filled room, laughing while they bathe and wipe their noses with hundred dollar bills. Then please go on to explain how the elections are fixed (requiring the participation of tens of thousands of other people).... then go onto say that we're controlled by the media (oh, and of course, so are all the Mexicans).... we all can't wait to hear your wacky views on the world!

Get ready! There's going to be a Conspiracy Theorist cleanup on Aisle 4!

I am a citizen of America. America consists of two continents and an isthmus (look it up), not just the United States.
Jihad camp? Who's a conspiracy theorist now?
Congress? You're kidding? Right? We have a one party system (Republicrat) controlled by the ruling corporate elite.
We would never have rigged elections in the Good Ole' U.S.A.!
Hacking Democracy :down:

 

[local 12 proud]

Hey "Cabron Che" if you hate this country so bad then feel free to "back stroke" your American hating "back side" to Cuba! :blink:

 

[El Che]

Hey "Cabron Che" if you hate this country so bad then feel free to "back stroke" your American hating "back side" to Cuba! :blink:

I should not bother to answer your simplistic jingoistic rhetoric, but I cannot resist.
Which America do you claim that I hate?
You somehow think that the foreign (and domestic) policy carried out by your government is in your best interest?
How has the invasion of Iraq benefited you? Last time I checked oil was over $115/bbl.
Your dollar is being devalued more and more each day. That plus inflation (which is more than the 4% the government says) reduces your buying power each day.
The Federal Reserve (that private bank owned by European banking interests) finds millions of dollars to bail out the Wall Street gang. I suppose that is in your best interest too?
I will go back to Cuba..as you suggest..the day you quit AA.
If you don't like the TWU at AA why don't YOU quit? You can get a a non union job at a right to work state like TX, OK or LA.
Right to work...another capitalist ploy to defraud labor...and you defend THIS?

 

[Gilding the Lily]

The Federal Reserve (that private bank owned by European banking interests) finds millions of dollars to bail out the Wall Street gang. I suppose that is in your best interest too?

What amuses me is that you appear to think that if the Federal Reserve and Morgan would have allowed Bear Stearns to file for bankruptcy protection, that it wouldn't have resulted effectively in a "bail out" at the cost of taxpayers anyways?

 

[El Che]

What amuses me is that you appear to think that if the Federal Reserve and Morgan would have allowed Bear Stearns to file for bankruptcy protection, that it wouldn't have resulted effectively in a "bail out" at the cost of taxpayers anyways?

How did I give you that impression? "We the people" would have footed the bill regardless. For you, I and the rest of the sheeple are here to be fleeced by the ruling capitalist elite and their politician whores.
Don't worry, everything will be fine. Just shut up and enjoy your "freedom". Oh yes, keep having more children so they may be used as cannon fodder in the wars of corporate empire:down: