TWU Local 514 Tulsa - Moves the Circus to Woodland Mall for the Weekend!

[RV4]

THEY SCREWED YOU OUT OF 17.5% PAY

THEY SCREWED YOU OUT OF 5 HOLIDAYS

THEY SCREWED YOU OUT OF 5 VACATION DAYS

THEY SCREWED YOU OUT OF JOB SECURITY

THEY SCREWED YOU OUT OF LICENSE/SKILL PAY

THEY SCREWED YOU OUT OF 50% SICK PAY

THEY SCREWED YOU OUT OF 7 SICK BANK DAYS PER YEAR

THEY SCREWED YOU OUT LONGEVITY PAY

THEY SCREWED YOU OUT OF SHIFT DIFFERENTIAL...

...BUT HEY! THEY GOT YOU 50% OFF TO GO RIDE THE CARNIVAL RIDES AT THE MALL...

FEEL BETTER?


Woodland Hills Mall Summer Carnival
Woodland Hills Mall Summer Carnival
May 15 - 25, 2003

A special promotion for the Transport Workers Union

From Murphy Brothers Carnival

Unlimited Rides
Regular $20.00 for $10.00

Where: Woodland Hills Mall
(71st and Memorial)

Time: 5:00 pm - 11:00 pm - Weekdays
12:00 Noon - 11:00 pm - Weekends
(Weather Permitting)

Pick-up your $10.00 discount coupons for the carnival at:

Union Hall, Grievance Office or see
Eldon Cook, 292-3313 or Dan Craft, 605-0284

Redeem your discount coupons for your wristband at the Carnival ticket office.

cr😱peiu 330
afl-cio, clc

 

[Get Over It Already]

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On 5/14/2003 856 PM RV4 wrote:

FEEL BETTER?

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Oh yeah AMFA would have done so much better for you

I'm sure that the 2500 laid off AMFA mechanics at Norhtwest wouldn't mind having a little less pay and fewer sick days instead of unemployment and little or no chance of being recalled

Same for all those AMFA supporters at United who used to work in Indy and Oakland

 

[RV4]

Who is the LIAR?

The force majeure emergency clause is in the labor agreement ratified by over 80% of the AMFA membership.

In fact, AA had the same option, but because James C. Little was so willing to give members jobs, plus money, plus benefits, AA never had to use the force majeure.

Take a look at this chart:

[url="http://www.air-mechanic.com/paychart.htm"]http://www.air-mechanic.com/paychart.htm[/URL]

 

[RV4]

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On 5/15/2003 8:46:16 AM Get Over It Already wrote:

Oh yeah AMFA would have done so much better for you

I''m sure that the 2500 laid off AMFA mechanics at Norhtwest wouldn''t mind having a little less pay and fewer sick days instead of unemployment and little or no chance of being recalled

Same for all those AMFA supporters at United who used to work in Indy and Oakland

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I FORGOT TO MENTION:

THEY SCREWED OVER 3400 TWU MEMBERS OUT OF EMPLOYMENT AND SENT THEM TO THE STREET!

THEY SCREWED UP THE REDUCTION IN FORCE JUNIORITY LIST AND SENT SOME PACKING OUT OF SENIORITY!

AT LEAST WITH AMFA, THERE WAS A CREDIBLE RATIFICATION VOTE AND EVERY MEMBER HAS A SAY, NOT JUST THE ONE''s LUCKY ENOUGH TO ACQUIRE A PIN NUMBER FOR VOTING!

 

[Oliver Stone''s Apprentice]

Lies, Lies, Lies

There was no ratification vote at NWA. The company invoked the war emergency clause and laid off the mechanics.

Same at Indy and Oakland with UAL. The IAM negotiated after the fact.

If the NWA pilots have their way, AMFA will finally have their chance to negotiate a contract, as opposed to taking over something that the IAM or IBT negotiated.

 

[Get Over It Already]

I don''t promote Singapore, but you''re lucky that isn''t your new flag, since that and China are where overhaul work will be going

Look at the bright side - if overhaul goes away at AA you can always work at Midas welding tailpipes back on

 

[RV4]

And the TWU alllowed removal of over 3400 JOBS in addition to the above list of concessions!


[SIZE= 26pt]American[/SIZE][SIZE= 26pt]Airlines[sup]®[/sup][/SIZE]
March 31, 2003

James C. Little
Administrative Vice President, Air Transport Division
Transport Workers Union of American, AFL – CIO
1791 Hurstview Drive
Hurst, Texas 76054

Re: One Time Relief from Job Security Provisions

This will confirm our understanding reached during the negotiations leading up to the agreement signed on (DOS), 2003.

During these negotiations, the parties agreed to lift the system job protection provision of the various agreements to enable the Company to reduce the number of employees in each title group by the number required to reach the negotiated costs savings. The chart below illustrates the number of reductions by title group. Additionally, we have listed the newly established system job protection dates that will be in effect once the reductions associated with the changes have been completed.

Title Group Number of Reductions Title Group Number of Reductions

Title I 1371 Technical Specialists 8
Title II 0 Flight Dispatchers 5
Title III 1856 Ground/Simulator Instructors 110
Title IV Included in Title III Meteorologists 0
Title V 57 Simulator Technicians 9

Following the reduction of the above number of employees, the parties agreed to modify the dates of system protection for the remaining employees to the dates indicated below. In addition, the date may be adjusted either backward or forward at the conclusion of the applicable reductions and must be agreed to by both parties.

Title Groups New System Protection Date

Title I and Title III September 24, 1998
Ground/Simulator Instructors March 01, 1998
Simulator Technicians August 23, 1999
All Others March 01, 2001
What is that on your flag icon? The Hammer and Sicle? Oh, I see, in addition to pledge of allegiance to the TWU BUS SHRINE and COMMUNIST MIKE QUILL, you also promote SINGAPORE? Do they pay dues?

 

[Get Over It Already]

nice chart, but who employs more overhaul mechanics?

Southwest are adding some but will have fewer than 500

Northwest ATL is closed, and they just eliminated over 2200 jobs in MSP and DLT

United IND is closed, OAK is closing, and SFO will be doing mostly mod lines and line checks, not overhaul

US Air closed TPA, and has cut back at PIT and CLT

Continenal has outsourced for years and years now

American and Delta are the only majors left doing all of their overhaul in-house. American also has more mechanics than any other airline.

 

[RV4]

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On 5/15/2003 12:22:27 PM j7915 wrote:

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When are you going to get over the fact that the TWU contract has an "acts of God" clause???

Every competent lawyer will include such a clause in a contract to cover events totally out of the control of one or both parties to an agreement.

Matter of fact, I suspect it may be even possible to invoke force majeure in court if it was not in the origional contract. I.e. no judge will force a company to pay salaries if the business had to shut down for reasons outside its control, and can convince the court of that.

So get over it and worry about things you can control. Like maybe under AMFA there will be no overhaul mechanics at any airline. Maybe you should go and try to organize the Nordam composite technicians, before Nordam buys the AA Composite Center. Of course they won't fall under RLA and therefore fall under the wonderful RTW laws, which you cheered on, as they don't apply to airline workers, yet.

Nordam even does thrust reverser repairs so I guess they can use welders


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I wasn't having trouble "getting over" anything!

It is the AMFA bashers that do not accept the fact that force majeure is in every contract.

Try reading the thread again, and see who is having trouble "getting over" the layoffs at NWA.

It is only the TWU that capitulates and gives pay and benefits without even allowing an credible ratification vote.

You are so tunnel visioned, that you cannot even see that you actually defend AMFA at NWA by confirming that which NWA Management used to lay off workers.

I sure dont see you using that "get over it" attitude against the AMFA bashers when they are quick to point out base closures and laid off workers. Question is, what is the NWA-AMFA represented Mechanic making compared to you? How many paid days off do they have compared to you? And more importantly, did they volunteer to lift their job security provisions so that management could reduce the work force without invoking the "Force Majeure"?

TWU SUCKS....GET OVER IT!

Why not make $6.50 per hour and have an overhaul base in every city?

 

[j7915]

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On 5/15/2003 9:35:11 AM RV4 wrote:





Who is the LIAR?


The force majeure emergency clause is in the labor agreement ratified by over 80% of the AMFA membership.


In fact, AA had the same option, but because James C. Little was so willing to give members jobs, plus money, plus benefits, AA never had to use the force majeure.


Take a look at this chart:


http://www.air-mechanic.com/paychart.htm








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When are you going to get over the fact that the TWU contract has an "acts of God" clause???

Every competent lawyer will include such a clause in a contract to cover events totally out of the control of one or both parties to an agreement.

Matter of fact, I suspect it may be even possible to invoke force majeure in court if it was not in the origional contract. I.e. no judge will force a company to pay salaries if the business had to shut down for reasons outside its control, and can convince the court of that.

So get over it and worry about things you can control. Like maybe under AMFA there will be no overhaul mechanics at any airline. Maybe you should go and try to organize the Nordam composite technicians, before Nordam buys the AA Composite Center. Of course they won''t fall under RLA and therefore fall under the wonderful RTW laws, which you cheered on, as they don''t apply to airline workers, yet.

Nordam even does thrust reverser repairs so I guess they can use welders

 

[Bob Owens]

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On 5/15/2003 10:35:02 AM Get Over It Already wrote:

I don't promote Singapore, but you're lucky that isn't your new flag, since that and China are where overhaul work will be going


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Yea, its good to see how our COPE dollars are being used to protect American jobs!

Its good to see how effective the combined efforts of the IAM,TWU and IBT under the AFL-CIO umbrella have been. We really showed them, right?

It seems that our strategy is to work for their wages instead of informing the public about the risks and lack of oversight at foreign repair centers.
Are those workers drug tested?
What about 10 year background checks?

Hey if the TSA yanks someones tickets here they can go to one of those places and still work on airplanes cant they?

Why isnt the TTD informing the public about this? Amswer, they just collect our money, they dont intend on actually spending it in our behalf.

Tulsa has millions in their treasury. Why havent they put out an ad highlighting the risks that foreign OH could pose? I guess its more important to have picnics, discount tickets to amusement parks and anti RTW rallys than to focus and spend money on an issue that directly affects their members careers. Maybe the concept is beyond the 514 boards intellectual capacity. I guess they feel that as long as they can leverage the line mechanics they will be OK. "Hell we will just give the company discounted line maint to offset our higher OH costs".

You guys had better wake up. Millions in the treasury. What is it there for? It did not help prevent you from accepting the worst concessionary package the industry has ever seen. It cant help you pay your bills if things continue along this track. If OH does all end up overseas those millions will revert to the International as you go to the unemployment line.

 

[RV4]

Bob Owens finally understands what those of us in Tulsa have to live with for leadership.

And dont dare challenge them and promote change, you will be dealt a Kangaroo Court proceeding, found guilty of treason, and prohibited from running for office, voting in the election, or attending any meeting at which your "anti-TWU" views might transfer to the brain-washed sheep!

Once again, I apologize to those involved in line maintenance for our previous failure to change our present situtation and worthless union. However, it appears the TWU's long lasting dictatorship may have made a fatal mistake when they actually placed those living in the "low cost of living" area in financial ruin. Who would have ever thought that the James C. Little the Director of the ATD would have been the superior AMFA organizer?

 

[RV4]

Did anyone take the discount ticket and attend the TWU circus?

 

[Checking it Out]

I see the Clowns are at it again! Post a topic and the first thing you read is something totaly different. Twist the issues as usual.

I suspect dave is the main clown at the circus. Since the TWU had nothing to do with this. The discounts applied to others also!

One other note;

TWU 10% Laid off after a vote of the members to alter the System protection!

amfa 55% Mechanics, higher in other classifications with no vote of the Members!

dave can you tell us what part of the Contract Jim violated when the members voted to change the contract? I understand thanks to our strong Union the TWU was able to bring Members back when the company did layoff! How many has amfa been able to bring back?

TWU SOLIDARITY!

 

[Bob Owens]

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On 5/15/2003 806 PM RV4 wrote:


Bob Owens finally understands what those of us in Tulsa have to live with for leadership.

Unfortunately, at the Local level the leadership is a reflection of the membership. It is either through their indifference, acceptance or endorsement that they are your leaders. It is up to Tulsa to change the leadership of Tulsa.

And dont dare challenge them and promote change, you will be dealt a Kangaroo Court proceeding, found guilty of treason, and prohibited from running for office, voting in the election, or attending any meeting at which your "anti-TWU" views might transfer to the brain-washed sheep!

It is your duty to challenge them.
As for charges of Treason they are the ones who should be charged. CIO has made accusations at me of treason. My answer to him is that if you were a leutenant under the command of Bennidict Arnold where do your loyalties lie? Do you unquestionably obey your commander or is your primary loyalty to the cause of American Independance? Do you betray the cause to make your general rich?

Our leaders are guilty of treason to the cause of labor. The cause of labor is to improve wages, benifits and working conditions. We are at war with those that want to do the opposite. There are always casualties of war. The objective should not change. In the long run, even the casualties benifit.

Our leaders helped the oppostion to win all their objectives with no opposition. They convinced many to surrender. We still have 3400 casualties and every single member has seen the objective lost. We see lower wages, less benifits and poorer working conditions, with 3400 casualties and not one shot fired! Our leaders told us to surrender in order to avoid casualties but we still had 3400 without even firing back. They did to the labor movement what Benidict Arnold tried to do to the Colonial Army. Its as if they had us surrender, then watched as the victor executed 3400 of our unarmed bretheren just for kicks. We are supposed to take solice in our defeat because Carty stepped down and retired with his spoils. What difference does that make? How does that absolve our six figure making appointed, un-accountable "representatives" of what they have done? It does NOT!

Once again, I apologize to those involved in line maintenance for our previous failure to change our present situtation and worthless union. However, it appears the TWU's long lasting dictatorship may have made a fatal mistake when they actually placed those living in the "low cost of living" area in financial ruin. Who would have ever thought that the James C. Little the Director of the ATD would have been the superior AMFA organizer?

You may prove to be right there.

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