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TWU Pushes Easterns Demise

Good god, next they will resurrect the "it's only a six pack a week" line. :shock:

Finally got to see the friggin' movie - the only message I got from it is management is screwing up badly.

One would have to be pretty brainwashed not to see the overriding message that the more irrelevant (mis)management felt, the greater effort they put into sabotaging the union's efforts.

Then, Lorenzo came along.
 
I have not seen the video so I don't know what's on it. Reading some of the posts I get the impression it's along the lines of "if only the unions had coperated". If anyone sees this video here are some questions you should ask.

1)What about the six million dollar management fee Eastern paid each year to Texas Air?

2)What about Eastern paying a penny a gallon fee for Jet A bought through a Texas Air subsidiary? Given the amount of fuel airlines buy that can add up.

3)What about Lorenzo's habit of only telling people what felt they needed to know with him only knowing the overall picture. Dosen't sound like a very good way to run a company.
 
I have not seen the video so I don't know what's on it. Reading some of the posts I get the impression it's along the lines of "if only the unions had coperated". If anyone sees this video here are some questions you should ask.

1)What about the six million dollar management fee Eastern paid each year to Texas Air?

2)What about Eastern paying a penny a gallon fee for Jet A bought through a Texas Air subsidiary? Given the amount of fuel airlines buy that can add up.

3)What about Lorenzo's habit of only telling people what felt they needed to know with him only knowing the overall picture. Dosen't sound like a very good way to run a company.

If the purpose of this forced viewing was to influence union elections or contract talks, the JLT (or whatever damned acronym decided we needed to see this thing) failed miserably.

I took it as pointing fingers directly at Eastern management. Since what AA is doing and what Eastern did are so similar, one has to wonder if what's being said is, "Yes, we're doing the same thing and you can't do anything about it - by the way, when's the next bonus?"
 
Since the true unionist are not allowed to run for office, I guess that leaves us only one option; to boot their sorry asses all together. :up:

The TWU is still quite fixable, and by the same process allowed it to turn into a company union. It needs serious help and realignment.

The "true unionists" you refer to knew very well going into the nomination process they wouldn't be allowed space on the ballot due to their bad standing status - they said as much. Demanding special treatment again, are we? Is there some basis for your obvious belief that your favorite association shouldn't be required to follow rules?

If you don't like the rules, change them using the system, but that takes a little effort, doesn't it?

Had you and the other scam association supporters put half the effort/time/money into cleaning up the TWU that was expended supporting and trying to install a POS ASSociation as bagaining agent for AA mechs, the TWU may not be in the situation it is today.
 
Had you and the other scam association supporters put half the effort/time/money into cleaning up the TWU rather than supporting and trying to install a POS ASSociation as bagaining agent for AA mechs, the TWU may not be in the situation it is today.
So now it's my fault that the twu has been a company union for the 10 years prior to my hiring and the 17 since. FYI...I have tried to change this POS Dues Collection Agency for the past 17 years and will continue as long as they are on the property. Just about all my efforts have fallen on deaf ears and as twu guru Bill says, "If they don't accept your proposal it doesn't mean they or the Union are undemocratic." No it just means that they are not interested in change. I've been tossed off by-law committee for supporting change at the local level, it hasn't stopped me from staying active and still trying to change this union.

I don't see any scamming going on with the AMFA drive, it is the only reason we got over the $28.50 an hour that Dennis Burchette wanted to settle for. I still believe all mechanics should be in one union, but most importantly, I believe the mechanics of American Airlines should at least have a union, and not a company-union. If that comes through forced change within the twu--fine, but the likelyhood of that is slim to none based on their history.

So what's your suggestion for change at both the local and international levels? 😉
 
Here's my plan to change the "International". We get a group of true unionist's together and stage an armed "raid" on TWU headquarters in NYC, and kick Jim little and company to the curb! Roger Troussient(I spelled it wrong) could be temporarly installed as president until we can hold a TRUE constitutional convention to fix the TWU once an for all. The bums at the international that are in power now have no right to be there, because they are criminals! 😛h34r:
 
I took it as pointing fingers directly at Eastern management. Since what AA is doing and what Eastern did are so similar, one has to wonder if what's being said is, "Yes, we're doing the same thing and you can't do anything about it - by the way, when's the next bonus?"

Actually if I were to compare Eastern to an airline in the here and now my pick would be NWA.
 
The TWU is still quite fixable, and by the same process allowed it to turn into a company union. It needs serious help and realignment.

The "true unionists" you refer to knew very well going into the nomination process they wouldn't be allowed space on the ballot due to their bad standing status - they said as much. Demanding special treatment again, are we? Is there some basis for your obvious belief that your favorite association shouldn't be required to follow rules?

If you don't like the rules, change them using the system, but that takes a little effort, doesn't it?

Had you and the other scam association supporters put half the effort/time/money into cleaning up the TWU that was expended supporting and trying to install a POS ASSociation as bagaining agent for AA mechs, the TWU may not be in the situation it is today.


Cleaning up the TWU? The system and personnel are in place at the international level, and would be next to impossible to replace using the current system. "A little effort" you say - would be a gross understatement! Not to mention the amount of time it would take. BTW, most of AAs AMTs voted for the AMFA during the the last card drive. There is nothing wrong with lighting a fire under the TWU leaders with the fear of losing their cash cow. Left unchecked, with no fear of losing their jobs - the TWU leadership will no doubt sell us out again. The amount of effort it took to support the AMFA in the last card drive was more than offset by the thought of a chaange for the better. 😉
 
Cleaning up the TWU? The system and personnel are in place at the international level, and would be next to impossible to replace using the current system. "A little effort" you say - would be a gross understatement! Not to mention the amount of time it would take. BTW, most of AAs AMTs voted for the AMFA during the the last card drive. There is nothing wrong with lighting a fire under the TWU leaders with the fear of losing their cash cow. Left unchecked, with no fear of losing their jobs - the TWU leadership will no doubt sell us out again. The amount of effort it took to support the AMFA in the last card drive was more than offset by the thought of a chaange for the better. 😉

You are correct - the clean-up will have to take place at the International Convention. You're also correct in that the International has no fear of losing their jobs - that's the exact item that has to be changed. These people have gotten far too cozy with the company to suit me and many others.

I do have an issue with the leadership selling us out again at contract time - this go-'round will be rather interesting, to say the least, if people are really as hacked as they say. If they aren't, no amount of prodding will fix anything. It remains to be seen; the ballots will tell all.

Personally, I'll not vote for any contract that isn't an improvement over the pre-concession contract, I believe the last date in effect was April 17th, 2003. Anthing less will get a no vote from me and hopefully many others. Little is a bad joke, saying he wants all to be settled and done by spring. All concessions will be returned first, then improvements will be discussed. The executives be damned.

Perhaps most AMTs did sign an AMFA card. As with Northwest and Southwest, things were quite good under a contract previously bargained for by the raided union (IAM/Northwest, IBT/Southwest). Things at Northwest got messy when amateurs tried to negotiate for themselves rather than take over someone else's contract. With no backing or cooperation from the other unions (whom they went out of their way to piss off at every opportunity), amfa had a "gun to their heads". Southwest is going to enter negotiations with amfa eventually and now that their fuel hedges are running low, it will be rather interesting to see what "power" amfa will bring to bear against the "hapless" company that farms out most of its work anyway.

All amfa ever had to sell was elitism and that backfired severely after the NWA mechs were escorted out by the company. No other union would honor their lines. It probably didn't help much that the company had prepped for the strike for 2 years; Del Femine was very well aware of that fact but took the lemmings over the cliff anyway, evidently trying to make a point by turning its NWA membership into martyrs and ended up accepting the terms that were initially found unacceptable when, supposedly, 2750 jobs could have been saved but did not allow its membership to vote on the offered contract.

At the time of the AA card drive, amfa was all that could replace an AFL-CIO affiliate with as the organization had a no-raid agreement amongst its membership, barring a decertification vote or a statement of no interest by the outgoing union. Because of this, I've always thought of supporting amfa as a guy wanting to get married and settling for the first female that would have him, regardless of any other factor. Not a smart thing to do.

Since then, the Teamsters have disaffliated with the AFL-CIO and provides another option, but perhaps not a very good one either.

I agree - the TWU sucks big green ones in its present incarnation, but to get my vote and the votes of many others unhappy/pissed/inflamed/(fill in your own descriptor) with the TWU dues machine will require some measure of credibility. Too many watched their mistakes of inexperience.

In short - I'd be happy to boot the TWU - bring me something better if you can.
 
Since then, the Teamsters have disaffliated with the AFL-CIO and provides another option, but perhaps not a very good one either.

I agree - the TWU sucks big green ones in its present incarnation, but to get my vote and the votes of many others unhappy/pissed/inflamed/(fill in your own descriptor) with the TWU dues machine will require some measure of credibility. Too many watched their mistakes of inexperience.

In short - I'd be happy to boot the TWU - bring me something better if you can.


The Teamsters as of today will not have us, but would be a slight improvement in the fact their Intl officers are elected by the membership.

We could always start our own union for M&R like the Pilots and FA's did. It would take alot of money upfront and alot of help to get it done. The benefits would of setting it up to all of our needs.
 
The Teamsters as of today will not have us, but would be a slight improvement in the fact their Intl officers are elected by the membership.

We could always start our own union for M&R like the Pilots and FA's did. It would take alot of money upfront and alot of help to get it done. The benefits would of setting it up to all of our needs.
AMFAMAN, sounds good to me, we could call it the "ALLIED MECHANICS ASSOCIATION", and we could encompass all the present title groups, but each title group would have its own contract. Line and Overhaul would have their own contracts also. This way there wouldn't be any bickering about whos riding whos shirt tails. Or the Overhaul bases always approve the contracts. Also no elected official can serve more that 4 years, and no contract longer that 4 years unless there is a COLA. What ya think?
 

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