Your right Jim. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. I would like to predict within 5-10 years you will more than likely see another fight to make more adjustments to the W/A restrictions. SWA is smart only asking for a very little bit every time they want change until "puff" it's all gone.
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Your right Jim. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. I would like to predict within 5-10 years you will more than likely see another fight to make more adjustments to the W/A restrictions. SWA is smart only asking for a very little bit every time they want change until "puff" it's all gone.
WN is building new space at HOU, including FIS space for international flights, that UA pissed and moaned about, saying that UA would draw down its IAH hub if the City of HOU went forward with WN's plans. Houston ignored UA's pleas and WN is building its new space for international flights.
AFAIK, that's not happening yet at DAL, as the agreement says all international flights will use DFW. Perhaps that's changed and I've missed it and, of course, it's possible that it could change in the future.
AFAIK, that's not happening yet at DAL, as the agreement says all international flights will use DFW. Perhaps that's changed and I've missed it and, of course, it's possible that it could change in the future.
Watch and learn my friend. There are facilities being incorperated into the new LF construction. Southwest would not be wasting their money or space for that matter, if they did not intend to use it. International flts ARE coming to LF, I just don't know when yet.
I believe you're mistaken - looks like a brand new 20-gate domestic terminal to me. The remnants of the old Legend terminal were converted, if I recall, to CBP space for charter/general aviation flights.
Sure, things could change in the future, but for now, there's a contract between all the parties, approved by Congress, that says that WN, AA and XJT won't fly scheduled international flights at DAL.
Trust me, they are puting space for it. It's probably not labled as such as of yet. BTW; The agreement also use to say that no airline will fly outside of Texas. And SWA slowly got one state at a time to be nego out of the W/A restrictions. Once all the new states saw the southwest affect then everyone wanted the W/A restrictions removed so they too could get SWA to fly into and out of their airports. Now they will all soon be able to take advantage of SWA non stops to their states and cities. The only reason SWA did not fight for the international at same time in 2006 is because they wanted a for sure thing at that time, and they said they will address the international flts at a later date. This has been planned for a many of years. BTW; I work at Love Field, there is construction being done to accomodate such amenaties...
Changing the agreement would require unanimous consent of AA, WN, XJT plus the cities of Dallas and Fort Worth plus the DFW Airport Board. I don't see AA or some of the other parties relinquishing their veto power unless WN agrees to share its profits with AA.
Your posts lead me to believe that you may not have read (or if you read it, that you may not undertand) the contract between the parties that ended the Wright Amendment. I posted a link to it in post #38.
In 2014, there are no more Wright Amendment restrictions. The only restrictions will be the ones in the contract that I posted earlier (see post #38).
IMO, you're mixing and matching the Wright Amendment with the 2006 Agreement to eliminate the WA. While your recounting of the chiseling away of the WA (like with the Shelby Amendment to WA) is interesting, it's no longer relevant now that all the parties have given each other a veto over changes to their agreement.
While you work at DAL, have you been touring the new terminal while it's been constructed? Where, exactly, is the FIS area for Customs and Immigration? Are the gates being built with segregated corridors to funnel the passengers from arriving international flights to the FIS area?
No doubt the terminal could be modified in the future to build those facilities. The new terminal is not a whole lot smaller, on a square footage basis, than all three of the old terminals combined. My point is that the 20 gates under construction will not be capable of international arriving flights (obviously, other than from pre-clearance countries) when it is opened. If everyone who signed the 2006 compromise agreement agrees to changes that would permit international flights, then of course things could change. But as I posted earlier, AA and DFW (and maybe other parties) would demand their pound of flesh before allowing WN to use DAL for international flights.
I'm sure there are people at WN HDQ kicking themselves (or being kicked by Gary Kelly) for agreeing to not fly international flights at DAL, given WN's recent purchase of Airtran and the obvious decision to continue its flights outside the lower 48. In hindsight, WN screwed up when it agreed to the DAL compromise. And I'm sure that someone on WN's legal staff is trying to figure out how they'll weasel out of their agreeement - lawyers are good at doing just that. For now, however, HOU appears to be Southwest's sole international gateway in Texas, and it will be the only one, until WN figures out how to either invalidate the 2006 compromise or until WN makes it worth everyone's while to amend the 2006 compromise.
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I agree with smamt that WN is a master of political manipulation and will figure out how to be able to fly int'l flights from DAL at some point in the future - but FWAAA is correct that the agreement to end Wright does not permit LUV to add int'l flights at this point.
But WN will do all they can with the abilities they will gain, will gain more traffic for DAL, and will bring air fares down.... plus, they will be adding enough int'l flights from HOU that DAL will want a piece of that too.
As long as WN can add flights and charge fares low than other carriers - even on an average fare basis which means the lowest fare might not be on WN.
WN didn't make any mistake w/ the end of Wright agreement - they know full well they would have never gotten AA to agree if they had included int'l flights. But WN will never add NRT or LHR so big parts of AA's N. Texas operation will remain untouched. But in time, it is very likely that WN will be able to show via its HOU operations and by its growth of the N. Texas operation that it would be advantageous for them to expand the capacity of DAL and in allowing near int'l flights.
And all of the predictions about AA's ability to control the outcome is not as certain solely based on where AA might be 3-5 years from now when the discussion will come up again.
But HOU is still geographically and size wise better suited for WN's expansion into Central and northern S. America and it will take 3-5 years minimum for WN to build HOU out anywhere close to its potential. And that would be with a very aggressive schedule.
But WN will do all they can with the abilities they will gain, will gain more traffic for DAL, and will bring air fares down.... plus, they will be adding enough int'l flights from HOU that DAL will want a piece of that too.
As long as WN can add flights and charge fares low than other carriers - even on an average fare basis which means the lowest fare might not be on WN.
WN didn't make any mistake w/ the end of Wright agreement - they know full well they would have never gotten AA to agree if they had included int'l flights. But WN will never add NRT or LHR so big parts of AA's N. Texas operation will remain untouched. But in time, it is very likely that WN will be able to show via its HOU operations and by its growth of the N. Texas operation that it would be advantageous for them to expand the capacity of DAL and in allowing near int'l flights.
And all of the predictions about AA's ability to control the outcome is not as certain solely based on where AA might be 3-5 years from now when the discussion will come up again.
But HOU is still geographically and size wise better suited for WN's expansion into Central and northern S. America and it will take 3-5 years minimum for WN to build HOU out anywhere close to its potential. And that would be with a very aggressive schedule.
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i read on www.justplanenews.com in an article there that there is now a 75% chance of the merger happening and in anther article the DL/VS deal also makes the US/AA merger all the more likely bec neither one has the niche to bec of the need to compete with UA and DL but dont have what it takes to be Alaska or Jetblue
Ray Neidl of Maxim Group (the financial "wizards," not the men's magazine) is being quoted all over today after he said that DL's purchase of SQ's 49% minority share of VS ups the odds of a US-AA merger before AA emerges from Ch 11 to 75%.
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I'm sick of these overepaid analysts giving some prediction. What do the bookies say are the odds of a merger?
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Now that the APA has been "invited" to the talks, it will happen.
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Tulsa is gone but it will take two years according to the TWU agreement with usair. Bye bye Tulsa and bye bye TWU
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