U.S. May Ease Rule On Labor Vote

[southwind]

I guess you forgot about all the free money the airlines got from our tax dollars after 9/11 and the govt and tax payers got nothing in return.

Ten days after the terrorist attacks, Congress passed a $15 billion aid package for the airline industry: $5 billion in direct cash handouts and $10 billion more in government- backed loan guarantees.



Funny I didnt see you complain about the $528 Million DL got and never had to pay back and that came from the tax payers, at least with GM they got stock and ownership and will get a return on the loan and investment.

Big difference between an "UN-expected" terrorist attack, which was NOT brought on by the airlines, possibly shutting down the transportation industry and ONE car company that was mis-managed and being run into the ground by their union, UAW !

Nice try though ! :down:

 

[dapoes]

In this one statement you have proven everything your detractors have been writing about you for years.
You weren't able to refute my argument about voting processes. My having discourse about those processes is hardly someone going "off the deep end."
You were only able to retort with some sort of churlish, vindictive, shallow remark.
I feel sorry for you.

Coming from someone who doesn't even know what the process of democracy means, yet tries to argue about it says a lot. Parroting what the AFA propaganda gestapo tells you to say, shows an overall lack of independent thought and free thinking.

And as for the rest of your blather, I feel nothing for you. Nothing.

 

[john john]

What does a union vote have to do with running an airline
All business can be done as usual with or without a union. The vote is to establish if the employees have a voice in the running of the airline when it affects the employees of an represented group
Of course management does not want you to have government process to have a voice

 

[Dignity]

It is not OK to smear a Company name and IFS Leaders whom we have never been associated.

Please remove the Pro-Company line.

 

[dapoes]

AFA says that they have enough votes for certifications and a majority of flight attendants that want a union(50%+1). Yet are trying to handicap the process for a hopeful better result? What does that tell you? Over the past year they were more concerned about a red dress then getting underway with the vote. Sounds like AFA is on life support. Dont be too surprise if they demand actual paper ballots to make it more difficult for people to vote. The more they try to handicap the system and push people out of the voting process, makes their fictitious 50%+1 claim better.

 

[700UW]

Big difference between an "UN-expected" terrorist attack, which was NOT brought on by the airlines, possibly shutting down the transportation industry and ONE car company that was mis-managed and being run into the ground by their union, UAW !

Nice try though ! :down:

Spreading misinformation once again, the UAW never ran the company, better check who the CEOs have been, never been a UAW person, and UAW has taken concessions many times before at the car companies.

Look up the word hypocrite.

And what about the second bailout in 2003?

Dont let the facts get in your and the airlines still laid-off 100,000 people after 9/11, great use of our tax dollars huh?

 

[Dignity]

Big difference between an "UN-expected" terrorist attack, which was NOT brought on by the airlines, possibly shutting down the transportation industry and ONE car company that was mis-managed and being run into the ground by their union, UAW !

Nice try though ! :down:

It is also a big difference temporarily closing down a plant and off loading built up inventory due to a strike and stranding passengers all
over the system do to a job action.

The absolute worst part is when both scenarios happen.. because some are just not coming to terms of economic factors and being realistic.

*stranding people and everyone losing their jobs really doesnt show effectiveness.

taking the past decade in consideration..

I cannot believe people do not understand why the industry nearly collapsed and still continue to point fingers
and want to walk off their jobs and shut down the airlines.

the industry is still in recovery mode and some just seem to skip over that part.


compromise and sense of reality while really attempting to make an effort working together = real solutions.

 

[700UW]

You couldnt be way more off base, I was an M&R with US Airways for 18 years, our CBA became amendable in 1995 and we didnt reach a TA cause of the company stalling till 99, thats 4 1/2 years without raises or improvements. We voted down the first TA and the board wouldnt release us during that period into a 30 cooling off period. We finally reached a second TA and passed.

No one wants to strike but when your company is making profits and they dont want to share them with the workers what choice do you have?

We negotiated back in 89 through 92 and was willing to give concessions to US but not what they demanded.

We negotiated for over 3 years, voted one TA down and even continued to work after the 30 day cooling off period expired, but finally after two weeks we could see the company was not serious we struck for five days, they still flew planes but at a reduced schedule. We settled and still gave them concessions.

So if a company wants to prevent a strike they can, we never asked for the world just a fair contract.

Its apparent you have never been on a negotiating committee and see the games the company plays, I have been.

 

[Dignity]

No one wants to strike but when your company is making profits and they dont want to share them with the workers what choice do you have?

take the high road

Its apparent you have never been on a negotiating committee and see the games the company plays, I have been.

well, if there are two parties in a negotiating room, playing games, yelling, throwing a hissy fit..eyes bulging.

both sides are the wrong people and none of them have any business being in there.

until they both get a grip.

Regardless of different views, there is always a way to work things out.

at the end of the day, you might be surprised how similiar everyone really is,
wanting to do just that.. (resolving issues)

that of course happens when people really try to work together.

 

[700UW]

Take the high road?

Now thats funny, guess you really dont know how the process works, after the 30 day cooling off period expires the company can impose a CBA and you have two choices, work for it or strike, guess you didnt pay attention what NW did to AMFA at NW when the 30 day cooling off period expired.

You really need to educate yourself.

Do you not understand every airline uses the RLA to delay a new CBA that raises their costs?

Do you not understand they hire consultants to achieve this goal at the table?

 

[Dignity]

Take the high road?

maybe it might be something to consider?

Now thats funny, guess you really dont know how the process works, after the 30 day cooling off period expires the company can impose a CBA and you have two choices, work for it or strike

well, it shouldnt get to that point, both parties should try to work things out.

but then reality also comes into play as well..

its like this, you have an industry in crisis

and then a Union going on and on about an Industry Leading Contract at the same time.

do you see where having a sense of reality may be something to consider here?

prior to walking out the door?

guess you didnt pay attention what NW did to AMFA at NW when the 30 day cooling off period expired.

sure I did, they bluffed them off their jobs and their Leadership failed them.

(the part that is always swept under the rug)

I believe that because they were trying to pull the same stunt with the Flight Attendants and then turned around and
got a court order to..

keep us on the job.

if they wanted us to walk and outsource us they had a perfect opportunity to let us all go, but you see they didnt.

oh..

they ended up letting people go after they offered and paid out a buyout and a 180 million dollar equity claim.

so..

yeah, I was paying attention.

You really need to educate yourself.

well for a sense of balance, its possible you may need to get a grip?

Do you not understand every airline uses the RLA to delay a new CBA that raises their costs?

Do you not understand they hire consultants to achieve this goal at the table?

I understand a little more than you may think!

 

[Kev3188]

take the high road

That only works when both sides bargain in good faith.

If you've been at NW as long as you say, you should know that never happens here. maybe it'll be different now, but with Campbell & Anderson at the table, I doubt it...

 

[Dignity]

That only works when both sides bargain in good faith.

when I completed my training,

I went home to see my family.

and told people,

I just finished training with DL

the first words.. nearly a dozen people said to me..

"please tell me how to get on with them"

I am going to leave it at that..

and not even go into detail how some were begging and pleading,

hopefully just to get a job interview
with those folks.

If I am not mistaken,

100,000 applications came in for 1000 Flight Attendant positions (when they were hiring)

If you've been at NW as long as you say, you should know that never happens here.

well I know, that is why it needs to change and furthermore we have been merged.

witnessing what happened at NW over the course of our careers, it is clear..that part needs to stay in the past

(the "never happens here" part)

if the poor labor relations and Union/Company fighting is inherited it will = fail

after the Union had just went on about how they were excited about the merger,

what was their next response?

They sued them over seniority.

The rest of what happened this past year is sort of obvious the course they are going to take.

I personally do not want to go down that road again that always ends up = fail

maybe it'll be different now, but with Campbell & Anderson at the table, I doubt it...

it is possible it can be different

it can be done another way.

I am trying to be open minded taking careful steps along the way.

Delta is highly respected in the community,

at least where my family is from,

they have no choice but to keep that tradition close.

we have a responsibility to do the best job we can.

Kev,

It is so very obvious you are highly intelligent and respected.

there is no price tag on that, when they have someone like that
it is wise to retain them. IMO

I hope you have a nice day.

 

[LukeAisleWalker]

Coming from someone who doesn't even know what the process of democracy means, yet tries to argue about it says a lot. Parroting what the AFA propaganda gestapo tells you to say, shows an overall lack of independent thought and free thinking.

OK, if I don't know the process of democracy, then every election day from this moment forward, when there is a Referendum or Proposition on the ballot, all eligible voters who stay home and don't vote are actually voting "No" to said Referendums and Propositions. Let's just see how much is done or changed in local communities going by YOUR version of the truth.

And as for the rest of your blather, I feel nothing for you. Nothing.

Wow..talk about "going off the deep end." It's really sad that this proposed voting change by the NMB has turned you into an even more mean-spirited, vindictive person than ever before.
I think you should heed your own advice and take a break from these boards.

 

[700UW]

Just because lots of people apply to work for DL doesnt mean its a great place to work, go behind the scenes and see how labor-management get along.

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