Ual Employees

[boeing787]

I remember not too long ago when other companies were wishing us to go into C11 and then to oblivion. I ask you today to remember how difficult C11 has been for us and not to gloat and make comments about the possible C11 filings of DAL and NWA. It's going to be bad for all employees over at those companies as if aviation weren't bad enough right now.

 

[737nCH11]

Who in the hell feels like joking and gloating? :blink:

 

[Busdrvr]

I remember not too long ago when other companies were wishing us to go into C11 and then to oblivion. I ask you today to remember how difficult C11 has been for us and not to gloat and make comments about the possible C11 filings of DAL and NWA. It's going to be bad for all employees over at those companies as if aviation weren't bad enough right now.

[post="299993"][/post]​

Nah, I'm saving my gloating for when the "evil empire" goes......

 

[gatemech]

I'm sorry for Delta. NWA is another story. Their only vision is to destroy labor. Look at the mechanics. Asking them to vote out thousands of employees. Now they are after the F/A's. When does it stop? We need unions just because of corporate greed. I don't care much for unions but I stand by mine because I see what can happen without them. I think NWA is going to file BK and rape the employees of every benefit they have. I would bet that a NWA BK will last less than a year. The airline Execs these days are like little children. If they don't get what they want they run to DADDY (BK Judge) and cry.

The BK process is a nasty thing to deal with. I don't wish it on anyone.

 

[casual rat]

Lest we forget, NWA was the Airline that nixed responsible fare increases throughout the past year as well. I thought our Management 'Team' was bad, these guys (NWA) make Machiavelli look like a boy scout.

 

[Borescope]

I'm sorry for Delta. NWA is another story. Their only vision is to destroy labor. Look at the mechanics. Asking them to vote out thousands of employees. Now they are after the F/A's. When does it stop? We need unions just because of corporate greed.

[post="300423"][/post]​

DL doesn't have the unions to fight for them (except the Pilots), so management over there doesn't have to run to the judge to get the cuts. They just tell them what's coming. It will be easier for DL, since they only have to run to the judge when the pilots balk. NW will have a tougher time convincing their labor groups of the need for cuts. Lest we forget "Cobra Airlines"

 

[WorldTraveler]

You're a person of high character, 787, and I commend you - particularly as one who was very hard on UA employees.

The sad reality is that the entire airline industry will be little more than fast food type of travel. UA and US's bankruptcies happened far enough apart and both were different enough companies that it was hard to see the end result but it is very clear now. No offense to USAirways employees, but UA, NW, and DL were all considered fairly well run companies prior to 9/11. UA was just the first in a long string of falling dominoes. The downfall has been rapid.

Employees at CO and AA that think they are home free might want to think again. When UA, NW, and DL reduce costs and have significant advantages over AA and CO (as they will), it will be very hard for the currently solvent two to compete. Whether they file for bankruptcy or not, cuts will come.

And employees of LCCs who think they are sitting pretty might also think again. DL and NW have a very good chance of emerging as the closest competitors to LCC costs; the LCCs will be less able to grow their franchises. In order to maintain an advantage, LCC costs will have to fall and we know that employees will bear the brunt of it all.

 

[FlyUs]

You're a person of high character, 787, and I commend you - particularly as one who was very hard on UA employees.

The sad reality is that the entire airline industry will be little more than fast food type of travel. UA and US's bankruptcies happened far enough apart and both were different enough companies that it was hard to see the end result but it is very clear now. No offense to USAirways employees, but UA, NW, and DL were all considered fairly well run companies prior to 9/11. UA was just the first in a long string of falling dominoes. The downfall has been rapid.

Employees at CO and AA that think they are home free might want to think again. When UA, NW, and DL reduce costs and have significant advantages over AA and CO (as they will), it will be very hard for the currently solvent two to compete. Whether they file for bankruptcy or not, cuts will come.

And employees of LCCs who think they are sitting pretty might also think again. DL and NW have a very good chance of emerging as the closest competitors to LCC costs; the LCCs will be less able to grow their franchises. In order to maintain an advantage, LCC costs will have to fall and we know that employees will bear the brunt of it all.

[post="300553"][/post]​

No offense taken. However, NWA came very close to filing chapter 11 pre 9/11. US has always been the underdog legacy carrier because of its size, IMO. It's all about survival now. Welcome to the club. 😉

 

[Emil.Howes]

I remember not too long ago when other companies were wishing us to go into C11 and then to oblivion. I ask you today to remember how difficult C11 has been for us and not to gloat and make comments about the possible C11 filings of DAL and NWA. It's going to be bad for all employees over at those companies as if aviation weren't bad enough right now.

[post="299993"][/post]​

Very decent idea.
I hope we all maintain a certain level of civility.
However, this is going to get 'REAL UGLY' soon.


Best of fortune to us all,
-BigE

 

[ExTalon2pilot]

I'm sorry for Delta. NWA is another story. Their only vision is to destroy labor. Look at the mechanics. Asking them to vote out thousands of employees. Now they are after the F/A's. When does it stop? We need unions just because of corporate greed. I don't care much for unions but I stand by mine because I see what can happen without them. I think NWA is going to file BK and rape the employees of every benefit they have. I would bet that a NWA BK will last less than a year. The airline Execs these days are like little children. If they don't get what they want they run to DADDY (BK Judge) and cry.

The BK process is a nasty thing to deal with. I don't wish it on anyone.

[post="300423"][/post]​

You say "NWA is another story", I hope you meant NWA MANAGEMENT. You have to remember that NWA employees have no say in the policies set by management, just like at your airline! Don't you think that NWA employees have been trying to hold the line on the decline of our professions. The sad part about this industry is that we are all lemmings and are subject to the whims of management. The employees are the ones that get hurt. The executives just move onto the next score.

And they say their is no royalty in America.

 

[gatemech]

You say "NWA is another story", I hope you meant NWA MANAGEMENT. You have to remember that NWA employees have no say in the policies set by management, just like at your airline! Don't you think that NWA employees have been trying to hold the line on the decline of our professions. The sad part about this industry is that we are all lemmings and are subject to the whims of management. The employees are the ones that get hurt. The executives just move onto the next score.

And they say their is no royalty in America.

[post="301368"][/post]​

ExTalon2pilot,

Sorry. You are right. The airlines blam the employees but we all know that if management was doing their job BK wouldn't have been an option.

The employees just happen to be the problem for wanting to make a decent wage and put food on the table.

 

[coolflyingfool]

I am glad to see the light at the end of the tunnel for UAL. With my mother and aunt both being F/As for UA I was cheering and flying on UAL so they would not fail. I know that many have lost their jobs, but for those who remain, ggod luck to you all!!!!!!