Ual Vs Us Iam Agreements

[diogenes]

http://www.iam141.org/ualta.htm

http://www.iam141.org/usanegotiations.htm#1-13-05

Keep in mind; the UA PCE group has been organized about as long as US fleet.



D141 recommends a 'Yes' vote at UA; at US, they made no recommendations.

At UA, both PCE and ramp agents maintained no furlough clauses; not so at US.

UA retained a decent vacation and holiday package; not so at US.


Ditto, medical.

Ditto, scope.


You get the picture.

How is it, that with both carriers wielding the BK hammer, D141 was able to obtainly significantly better conditions at UA than US?

Hummmmmm.......

Let the spin begin, but you will never convince me that is rain running down my leg!

 

[robbedagain]

because the iam district at united saw how the iam district at usair sold their own down the river for the 3 or 4th time only this time with 30 cities and 600 employees out the door while they keep the catering in phl.

 

[zonecontroller]

UAL did not have Judge Stephen Mitchell of the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the Eastern District of Virginia!

 

[delldude]

because the iam district at united saw how the iam district at usair sold their own down the river for the 3 or 4th time only this time with 30 cities and 600 employees out the door while they keep the catering in phl.

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same district dude.......duh..

 

[robbedagain]

same district dude.......duh..

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i'm being somewhat sarcastic! but they dont have the same judge!!! LOL!!

 

[UAL_TECH]

This is only round 2 for UA.
This fall or next spring will be round 3 and then let's see what our contracts look like.

B) UT

 

[gso-crew]

Reuters
House votes to stop UAL pension default
Friday June 24, 1:34 pm ET


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. House of Representatives on Friday voted to block bankrupt United Airlines (OTC BB:UALAQ.OB - News) from defaulting on its pension plans and shifting them to the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp. (PBGC).
The provision was attached to a spending bill expected to pass the chamber later in the day. The bill would still have to pass the Senate before it could take effect.

More than 30 Republicans joined the proposal's Democratic sponsors in supporting the measure by a vote of 219-185. It would stop the PBGC from carrying out a court-approved agreement to take over four pension plans from the bankrupt airline.

 

[diogenes]

http://www.iam141.org/ualtaqa.htm

http://www.iam141.org/iampensionqa.htm

http://www.iam141.org/ualqaform.htm


US fleet cannot help but feel stabbed in the back when they compare IAM results at UA with what US fleet got.

The UA results show the IAM to be capable of achieving respectable results, even in BK.

Why could they not have achieved similiar results at US?

Could the reason be ALL of the long-time power structure at 141 is ex-UA, and NONE are from US?

Or are bigger fish frying?

A lack of facts leads to speculation; I am prepared for 141 to educate me here.

 

[700UW]

There are people at 141 from US.

 

[diogenes]

You will note the qualifier "long-term."

There are what, 4 AGC's from US - Flynn, Maccarone, Chandlee and Mcklavic?

And Joe and Bill are retiring, leaving two.

Moreover, compare their responsibilites with UA AGC's - it is right there in the Messenger.

UA AGC's are responsible for US stations.

US AGC's are NOT responsible for ANY UA properties.

It has always been that way.

Wonder why?

UA fleet and PCE got a FAR superior deal from a BK UA, than US fleet got from a BK US.

Why?

 

[700UW]

Two differant companies, two differant sets of management.

UAL does not have Jerry Glass, there is your differance.

And remember 141 has long history with US Airways, remember the mechanic and related were in there for several decades.

 

[diogenes]

Sorry, that doesn't cut it.

D141 had a credible strike threat at UA - if the judge had abrogated their contract, the IAM had prepared the membership to strike.

http://www.iam141.org/ual.htm#4-19-05

No such action was taken at US.

CWA-US did take such action, and they still have their jobs in the cities the IAM allowed to be outsourced.

You can spin it 'til the cows come home.

IAM-FLEET GOT SOLD OUT.

 

[700UW]

Funny, your own fleet service members are the ones who voted the contract in, and the ramp could have had a deal, go ask the reps from PHL who were on the negotiating committee why there was no deal?

 

[robbedagain]

You will note the qualifier "long-term."

There are what, 4 AGC's from US - Flynn, Maccarone, Chandlee and Mcklavic?

And Joe and Bill are retiring, leaving two.

Moreover, compare their responsibilites with UA AGC's - it is right there in the Messenger.

UA AGC's are responsible for US stations.

US AGC's are NOT responsible for ANY UA properties.

It has always been that way.

Wonder why?

UA fleet and PCE got a FAR superior deal from a BK UA, than US fleet got from a BK US.

Why?

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is that Joe as in Joe Macarone (from Boston during my time up there in 1999 to 2000?

 

[diogenes]

700, that is sadly true. The deal was structured so that the hubs and focus cities (that's where the votes were) did not take near the hit proposed for everyone else.

Amazingly, I have not read about any such division ( a contradiction in a UNION, yes?) in the contract over at UA.

I am asking a simple question.

Why did the IAM use different tactics at US vis a vis UA?

Both carriers were in BK. Actually, as US went into BK first, UA could 'go to school' on all of the tactics US used to dismantle labor. Yet the IAM achieved superior results at UA.

Why?

Robbed,

Yep, same guy.