WOW....that was some piece of history there john.....i forgot about some of the stuff that was on there even happened.....its been one heck of a ride for sure....and it aint over.............thanks for the info..im going to save this one...............
Union Decertification--CWA Thread 1/29 to 2/5
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Not from PHX and not a newbee...thanks fo the history lesson though....explain the last few years...didnt see anything as of late which is my point. But you made another point...the association is not one---your either IBT or CWA ----why is this? BTW, you sound bitter.....
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My first choice would be the IBT. The CWA has repeatedly backed and run like scared rabbits. During the 3rd round of concessuions in 2004, they negotiated pay increases back up to 18.00 for MAINLINE STATIONS ONLY, while Express was to stay at 13.00, how do you represent ony SOME of the CSA's?
They have given back so much, it has wiped out whatever gains we achieved in the first contract
To paraphrase Jerry Seinfeld, this is how you negotiate in the Bizarro world*
*see superman comix
I too became one of the 200 or so casualties of mainline/express, BUT we did keep our jobs if we chose, and the CWA was able to renegotiate the raise in the salaries back to 18.60 when the association happened and the merger occurred. 13.01 hr did suck and some people did leave, but those who stayed are lucky enough to be back up to pay, while our ramp counterparts lost the ramp jobs with no option but to leave.
So the CWA, even though they may seem passive at times when dealing in negotiations, did save a lot of jobs for the mainline/express group instead of letting them get farmed out.
So the CWA, even though they may seem passive at times when dealing in negotiations, did save a lot of jobs for the mainline/express group instead of letting them get farmed out.
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But how do you justify a CSA in one city boarding an RJ at 13.00 an hr when a CSA boarding an RJ at a neighboring city makes 18.00 an hr or 20.00 and hr before round 3?
No just trying to make a point like you. bitter is as bitter was
Job protection/scope should be one of the most important issues with the CWA .The Company did and will come after it every single time. The company knows how to negotiate by voter majority numbers and knows what it takes to get a contract pass selling out the lesser concern group. It is call Whipsawing. The company negotiators are good at this employee against employee. Union against union. This is why I am scare of the company expressing mainline stations if express votes in CWA
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No ... a 42% pay cut was jammed down your throat by a federal bankruptcy judge after the federal government shot down the UA/US merger. Without your union it would have been worse. You don't want to be the only unionized group in BK. You are lucky the CWA was there. The goverment wasn't on your side.
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Unions aren't what they use to be. Today they must compromise to save jobs and it always seems they are sleeping with the enemy. The truth is that without a union representation you are easily terminated for even a minor infraction.
I would urge people to actually read their contracts and understand it without getting other peoples' opinions. Opinions are like @$$#0!3S...everyone has one.
Petitions don't work other than to tell the management that the divide-and-conquer is working!
just my opinion
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For the ones that need to be spoon-fed
January Labor Committee meeting report
January 27, 2008
CWA
The January meeting of the Labor Committee of the Board of Directors was held in Phoenix at the Ritz Carlton hotel. In attendance for the company and Board of directors was Doug Parker, CEO, Scott Kirby,President, Robert Isom, EVP and COO, Herbert Baum and Bruce Lakefield, members of the Board of directors, Elise Eberwein, SVP-People, Communications and Culture, Al Hemenway, VP – Labor Relations, Daniel Pon, VP-Human Resources.
Doug Parker stated 2007 was not as profitable as 2006. We made about $100 Million less in profits. He stated that our negotiated members profit sharing will be less then 2006 but it will still be "meaningful" to the employees. Oil prices for 2008 have been estimated to be $900 Million higher then 2007 based on the current prices and increases expected, but they prepared for a tough year end with $3 Billion in cash.
Scott Kirby stated that the economy is slowing, we are seeing signs of this in other businesses. We are up 3% to 4 % in capacity. We are currently 2nd of the big 6 airlines in on-time performance. Robert Isom stated that we are doing better in handling the baggage problems we experienced in the past. He advised us of two new executives that have been hired in PHL, Senior Vice President, East Coast, International and Cargo Operations Suzanne Boda and Vice President, Philadelphia Operation Robert Ciminelli. Mr. Isom also discussed the money being spent on our aircraft appearance, new interiors and a new system to keep the planes clean and well equipped. He stated that the NEF (non-essential furnishing) has hit goal for the first time recently.
The CWA/IBT Association raised many issues, the main one being the delay and stalling of Arbitrations that have been scheduled for months and the availability of the company, making it difficult to schedule the ones needing to be set up. Right after the meeting, Senior Vice President and General Counsel, Janet Dhillon advised us they have someone new that we need to deal with now when setting up arbitrations, his name is Paul Jones. We hope he is willing to work with us in a timely manner to get these grievances to arbitration. The pay arbitration case that was scheduled for Jan. 18th was delayed by the company. The new date for this arbitration is now Mar. 7, 2008.
We are still waiting on the Mandatory overtime review that we asked Donna Paladini and her staff to complete. We had sent them a list of locations where Mandatory Overtime is being used to staff the locations where the company has a high attrition or is not having any luck hiring. This is a violation of our contract and we continue to get grievances on this on a daily basis. Al Hemenway said they are working on the list we sent them and will follow up to make sure this does not continue to happen.
The CWA also let the company know that agents were being solicited to come to PHX to help with updating the computer system, but the company was not offering accommodations, they expect the volunteers to find housing at their own expense or stay with friends. The Union advised the company this is not acceptable, they should be paying room and board to anyone leaving their home base to come to PHX to work for the company. Doug Parker seemed surprised this was going on and said he would find out why this was done and would get back to us.
Again, we mentioned shift managers not staying past 6:00 PM in many small cities, delays in getting FMLA approval, 4 hour shifts causing attrition in many small locations and the use of time clocks in some locations but not in all. We will report back to you when the company follows up on these items.
And this, my union brother is what scares me and the rest of the small and medium stations if express goes CWA. The transition to go from mainline to express will be handy at you know who’s expense
