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luvthe9
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We have no problem with this, better safe than sorry.
"We?"
jimntx
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Pilot. It's the royal "we".
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Holy cow, delayed a flight for four hours? So how come the plane was delayed? If someone can't make it through all appropriate security screening (and detention by CLT police) before they are scheduled to fly then they should take the next available flight rather than delay all the other passengers that have places to go and connection to make.
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Yes , we as entire fight crew front and back, get over it.
jimntx
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Go back and re-read the article. The students had already cleared security and boarded the flight. It was not TSA, it was the pilot, who insisted on further screening. In that case, I don't think any of us has the right to just go and leave the passenger stranded just because a crew member has an unfounded (as later determined) suspicion about a passenger.
If you could, how many of us would call TSA to re-screen their ex-mother-in-law who was the cause of the breakup of your marriage?
GuntherA320
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Go back and re-read the article. The students had already cleared security and boarded the flight. It was not TSA, it was the pilot, who insisted on further screening. In that case, I don't think any of us has the right to just go and leave the passenger stranded just because a crew member has an unfounded (as later determined) suspicion about a passenger.
If you could, how many of us would call TSA to re-screen their ex-mother-in-law who was the cause of the breakup of your marriage?
After the flight was boarded and ready for pushback, the PASSENGERS complained to the flight attendants that the students were acting "suspiciously"...talking over the backs of seats...praying....etc. The flight attendants informed the pilots and the pilots informed the company. The decision was made to have the students taken off. Airport police and TSA questioned and re-screened the students and determined they were not a threat. In the process of doing this, it was determined that the crew looked like it was going to run out of duty time and they were replaced by a reserve crew. The reserve crew was called out about 6pm (1 1/2 hours past scheduled departure time). The flight left at 9:23pm because it took one of the crew members almost 3 hours to get to the airport. This was Thanksgiving remember. I don't believe there were anymore flights to DCA that evening. This is why the flight was delayed for nearly 5 hours. As Paul Harvey used to say....."and now you know the rest of the story."
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Lets see,
Thanksgiving Day the same year Osama was killed.
A group of middle eastern young people I presume from the ages of 19 to 30 judging from the "college student" article.
Last known attempt againt an airliner was on a Christmas day.
Had some of the flight crew been able to notice and hold a flight for rescreening of passengers on 9/11/2001 things might have been very different now.
Security screening at checkpoints is only part of the process. Things can slip past (Richard Reed etc.)
Turned out to be nothing (as far as they can tell)
So issue a lawyered up apology, and do not hesitate to call for rescreenings of any passenger that triggers a concern.
It is simple, if there is ANY question at ALL that might pertain to a terrorist threat. It will get how ever much attention it takes to ensure safety of flight.
I have no problem with the crews actions. They fly daily and see thousands of passengers of all colors, races, and nationalities. Something about this group made them nervous. That is enough for me to halt operations until it is checked out.
Thanksgiving Day the same year Osama was killed.
A group of middle eastern young people I presume from the ages of 19 to 30 judging from the "college student" article.
Last known attempt againt an airliner was on a Christmas day.
Had some of the flight crew been able to notice and hold a flight for rescreening of passengers on 9/11/2001 things might have been very different now.
Security screening at checkpoints is only part of the process. Things can slip past (Richard Reed etc.)
Turned out to be nothing (as far as they can tell)
So issue a lawyered up apology, and do not hesitate to call for rescreenings of any passenger that triggers a concern.
It is simple, if there is ANY question at ALL that might pertain to a terrorist threat. It will get how ever much attention it takes to ensure safety of flight.
I have no problem with the crews actions. They fly daily and see thousands of passengers of all colors, races, and nationalities. Something about this group made them nervous. That is enough for me to halt operations until it is checked out.
From the information provided I'd agree. They weren't singled out because of race or religion. They were singled out because of many factors that certainly included race and/or religion, but also greatly included their behavior. It's likely that their behavior would raise suspicion regardless of race or religion, the fact they they appeared middle eastern and Islamic was only the proverbial "one more thing". Were race or religion alone the reason for this we'd have damned near every flight experience this.
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The crew "knew" the young people were "middle eastern"? How? Did the crew check the student's passports, that they seemed proficient in a foreign language, was it a presumption based on skin color? or, some combination of the above?
I'd like to know so that I can "get on board" because I have heard of terrorists assaulting US flight attendants and clipping their toe nails in first class while going to Europe and I have always wondered if I should then light my hair on fire, also. Just like that crew in CLT.
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I was not there, so how would I know what triggered a second look?
Most of our crews have been here a very long time, most of our flights go out with no issues in this regard, most of our flights have folks on board from every walk of life and ethnic background.
Something about the group triggered enough concern to take a second look.
What triggered the concern? I don't know, I have some possible scenarios in mind. But that is not something to be speculating about on a public forum. One news report is not enough for me to start implying that this crew who flies everyday and has probably had nothing like this come up before acted in an improper fashion. If more information is made public at a later time, I might feel differently
nycbusdriver
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Oh, man! I see activity like this in my church every Sunday. Should I let the pastor know that his congregation is acting suspiciously, and that maybe the FBI and TSA should be brought in to investigate?
My mother, God rest her soul, would sit an prayer her rosary every time she rode in a car (she would never fly....much too dangerous.) Had she ever boarded an airplane and pulled those beads out, would she have been escorted off the airplane to be rescreened for that "suspicious behavior?"
US Airways has a procedure in writing regarding perceived "suspicious" behavior, and how to handle it and our own prejudices. Sounds to me like it was totally ignored in this case.
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I could not care less about what the article said. The person who wrote the article, and their chief editor, have absolutely no authority to have a passenger further screened for security issues. All they want is a story... man bites dog, details at the top of the hour. 🙄
GuntherA320
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I was just passing on some information told to me from someone that was there. I didn't say it was a good reason to have the students rescreened, however it was not just one passenger that was concerned....I was told that many of the passengers spoke up. Perhaps they should have let those passengers off that were concerned. The pilots and the company made the call based on what they were told. One thing for certain is that you were not there and I was not there. I'm inclined to give those that were there the benefit of the doubt. It sounds like you believe that the TSA is keeping you safe. If that is the case, then no one ever really needs to be rescreened at all.
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