USAF awards $35B defense contract to Northrup/Airbus

[USAir757]

I'm disgusted that our own government would look to foreign nations to build our own tanker refueling aircraft, or any defense equipment for that matter. American's deserve those jobs more than anyone. When your own government sends jobs overseas, you know things are bad.

Anyway, I was happy to read that Boeing is, in fact, challenging the decision made by the GAO. "Lawmakers want the Air Force to explain it's decision making."

Uh... YEAH! :angry:

Boeing challenges USAF

 

[Seatacus]

With this kind of thinking, what's next. Are we going to allow Toyota to make our Humvees, Mercedes to make our tanks( the Germans did have the best tanks in WWII), the Chinese to make our uniforms. And to top this off, a lot of our dollars will be going to France. One of our best allies,not. This is a slippery slope...........

 

[tech2101]

With this kind of thinking, what's next. Are we going to allow Toyota to make our Humvees, Mercedes to make our tanks( the Germans did have the best tanks in WWII), the Chinese to make our uniforms. And to top this off, a lot of our dollars will be going to France. One of our best allies,not. This is a slippery slope...........

Interesting stuff

 

[USAir757]

Should the fraudulent deal have been permitted? Should criminals not have gone to jail? Should the Department of Defense not be held accountable to select the most capable systems for the best price to the taxpayers? Isn’t that what our security requires, and American taxpayers deserve?â€￾

Maybe the NG/Airbus SAS deal had a better price tag, but shouldn't we (1) give preferential treatment to American companies that employ American workers (I know they outsource, too), and (2) figure into the price tag that the jobs created take tax dollars and flood them back into the economy as income, hense creating more tax revenue in return?

 

[jimntx]

Didn't I read that the actual construction will take place in some furrin city by the name of Mobile, AL?

 

[tech2101]

Didn't I read that the actual construction will take place in some furrin city by the name of Mobile, AL?

The final assembly will be in Mobile.

 

[North by Northwest]

I'm disgusted that our own government would look to foreign nations to build our own tanker refueling aircraft, or any defense equipment for that matter. American's deserve those jobs more than anyone. When your own government sends jobs overseas, you know things are bad.

Anyway, I was happy to read that Boeing is, in fact, challenging the decision made by the GAO. "Lawmakers want the Air Force to explain it's decision making."

Uh... YEAH! :angry:

Boeing challenges USAF

What's the big deal USAF...I mean, even if the jobs stayed here, they'd go to the 25 MILLION illegal aliens imported for "jobs Americans won't do" BS.

Yet people keep VOTING in the same scumbags that sold them down the river...over and over and over again. I'm of the mind, TWO TERMS, times up, pack your bags and scram!

New drive, new blood, keep'em on their toes.

 

[Dan Webb]

With this kind of thinking, what's next. Are we going to allow Toyota to make our Humvees, Mercedes to make our tanks( the Germans did have the best tanks in WWII), the Chinese to make our uniforms. And to top this off, a lot of our dollars will be going to France. One of our best allies,not. This is a slippery slope...........

The new Marine One is based on a European design... But other military technology has included foreign components.

But a few points...

EADS has committed to building a factory in Mobile for these things if it gets approved, about a $600 million investment that will provide lots and lots of jobs.

Northrop is very much an American company and will be making money off of this.

I'm not trying to be anti-Boeing here, they're a good company, but USAF should not just be approving an aircraft just because it bears a Boeing title. Maybe (horror of horrors) the A330-based design is actually better and could be more useful for the military.

Globalization works both ways. If Boeing is to market its aircraft (both commercial and military) across the world, it should expect the same thing to happen on their home turf from other companies.

But we will see how the protest goes.

 

[Gilding the Lily]

What's the big deal USAF...I mean, even if the jobs stayed here, they'd go to the 25 MILLION illegal aliens imported for "jobs Americans won't do" BS.

Yet people keep VOTING in the same scumbags that sold them down the river...over and over and over again. I'm of the mind, TWO TERMS, times up, pack your bags and scram!

New drive, new blood, keep'em on their toes.

It is a shame our unemployment rate is so high. (sarcasm intended).

The new Marine One is based on a European design... But other military technology has included foreign components.

But a few points...

EADS has committed to building a factory in Mobile for these things if it gets approved, about a $600 million investment that will provide lots and lots of jobs.

Northrop is very much an American company and will be making money off of this.

I'm not trying to be anti-Boeing here, they're a good company, but USAF should not just be approving an aircraft just because it bears a Boeing title. Maybe (horror of horrors) the A330-based design is actually better and could be more useful for the military.

Globalization works both ways. If Boeing is to market its aircraft (both commercial and military) across the world, it should expect the same thing to happen on their home turf from other companies.

But we will see how the protest goes.

I agree 100% Mr. Webb!

 

[sentrido]

http://www.thenewstribune.com/business/story/302784.html

 

[whatkindoffreshhell]

Boeing blew this deal five years ago when their CFO inapproriately danced with the governtment's chief negotiator on this deal and tried to slip thru a $100 billion lease deal to keep the 767 production line going.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

A short time back, I believe that I read that...johnny Mac was bragging that he cast a critical "non-pork" vote against the Boeing deal.

It's NOT like JMc was going to carry Washington state anyway, BUT now the Wa. state Dem. party will show on local TV, JMc on the floor of the senate "pontificating" !

As it is, JMc is gonna need DIVINE HELP."carrying the water for the GOP", water SEVERELY TAINTED by EL-CHIMPO :blink:

 

[Seatacus]

But a few points...

EADS has committed to building a factory in Mobile for these things if it gets approved, about a $600 million investment that will provide lots and lots of jobs.

Northrop is very much an American company and will be making money off of this.

It's nice they are employing people in Alamba but I believe a majority of plane will be built in Europe. Hence, dollars going out of our country. I think the plant in Alabama will be just retrofitting an A330 built in France.

I would have no problem with Northrup building the plane if they built it all here by Northrup only or Lockheed or anybody American.

If EADS does make this plane it will take years to finish testing before delivery. Boeing has a 767 tanker now.

 

[Gilding the Lily]

It's nice they are employing people in Alamba but I believe a majority of plane will be built in Europe. Hence, dollars going out of our country. I think the plant in Alabama will be just retrofitting an A330 built in France.

I would have no problem with Northrup building the plane if they built it all here by Northrup only or Lockheed or anybody American.

If EADS does make this plane it will take years to finish testing before delivery. Boeing has a 767 tanker now.

Although I am not certain, I believe under the Boeing Contract, the fuselage would be built in another country as well.

Even though both companies will use a substantial amount of parts from foreign countries, I think most agree that more of the profits would stay in the US if we went with Boeing. That, however, should only be a minor factor in the Air force's decision; it plays second fiddle to performance, safety, cost, functionality, etc...

 

[tech2101]

It's nice they are employing people in Alamba but I believe a majority of plane will be built in Europe. Hence, dollars going out of our country. I think the plant in Alabama will be just retrofitting an A330 built in France.

I would have no problem with Northrup building the plane if they built it all here by Northrup only or Lockheed or anybody American.

If EADS does make this plane it will take years to finish testing before delivery. Boeing has a 767 tanker now.

From Northrop Grumman:

The KC-45 industrial team is committed to delivering an American military aircraft program, with tanker assembly and production taking in place in Mobile, Alabama, and more than 50 percent of the aircraft, subsystems and support being provided by hundreds of American partners and suppliers. The KC-45 program will result in the in-sourcing of thousands of U.S. aerospace jobs.