Usairways Post 1st Quarter Loss

[freedom]

Us Airways out of bussiness first half of next year ...

 

[Dog Wonder]

Do these results mean anything more than US Airways is treading water?

 

[wings396]

Go back to wondering what you're going to do now that United Airlines has come to its senses.

That's not exactly what brought the talks to an end. The CIC language in the East pilot contract seems to have been the dealbuster. If UA wasn't interested in the US system, I doubt that they would have made several attempts to merge with US over the past years. As much as you hope that AA won't make a move, that remains to be seen. The feeling of not wanting US to get hooked up with AA is mutual my friend. You guys can keep bleeding cash at an industry high rate all on your own.

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

You guys can keep bleeding cash at an industry high rate all on your own.

Nah, a quick dash or two through bankruptcy court and we'll be fine.Seems to have worked well for you lot hasn't it?

 

[ebwgs]

Nah, a quick dash or two through bankruptcy court and we'll be fine.Seems to have worked well for you lot hasn't it?

There are actually 3 bankruptcies in our DNA when you include the old HP=). I think it's me cause I was there for all three! Anyway, we're still here so it obviously worked. Seriously though, I don't see any kind of BK filing in AA's future. It's a great legacy that's being challenged right now, but it no doubt will find a way to correct itself. And I wish them well. And if they do find themselves reorganizing under Chapter 11 they will emerge with a vengeance. And again I wish them well. US seems to have some positive momentum for a change and I hope--unforseen circumstances allowing--that we maintain it.

 

[notquiteUS]

I just have a hard time seeing any potential at Phoenix for the US Airways system.


With the WN announcement of Phoenix - Boston/Minneapolis, I question how Phoenix stands in the US system. America West is not threatened by WN starting Phoenix - Boston/Minneapolis because America West is now more "diversified" than before the merger with US Airways (according to the conference call).

Where as in Charlotte and Philadelphia, there is huge potential, I believe.


Charlotte - in June - will hit 615 daily flights. I believe thats a record.

“It’s always better to make connections where you can sit in a rocking chair,” says Mike Boyd, an industry analyst at Boyd Group International. “There is a huge opportunity for US Airways in Charlotte because Atlanta is getting more and more congested. And the Charlotte airport runs smoothly.”

http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/othercities/charlotte/stories/2010/04/05/story2.html?b=1270440000%5E3127561&s=industry&i=travel


Philadelphia has a tremendous opportunity in the future. As soon as the PHL facilities improve, US will be able to build an impressive International hub out of Philadelphia.


Washington DC is just a money maker for US. Growth their is limited but DCA will always be a winner for US.




Phoenix... :unsure: I'm not so sure about. For PHL and CLT I could go on and on about potential growth, but Phoenix. I just don't know.


B) But way to go US for Q1 2010. Very nice results from United, US, and Delta in my opinion. 😛h34r: I just hope US doesn't get involved with the trainwreck that is American.

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PHX with Hawaii, Mexico, and Canada = $ Oh and don't forget in PHX theres no such thing as massive winter storms grounding planes that make companies lose millions...

 

[Reed Richards]

During the earnings call a statement was made that the debt on a PHX hanger and the Training facility had been "extinguished," if I heard correctly.

Does anyone have any info on why this was done?

RR

 

[28L_or_10R?]

Us Airways out of bussiness first half of next year ...

You've been prognosticating the demise of the airline for several years now and you have been wrong every time. Shut it, already.

 

[ebwgs]

You've been prognosticating the demise of the airline for several years now and you have been wrong every time. Shut it, already.

Amen.

 

[ebwgs]

PHX with Hawaii, Mexico, and Canada = $ Oh and don't forget in PHX theres no such thing as massive winter storms grounding planes that make companies lose millions...

I hope PHX can rise up and add more to the bottom line. Hawaii, Mexico and Canada are nice, but they in no way support this company in the way Philadelphia does with it's east coast catchment ability, even with the challenges of the once in a lifetime winter that we just had.

 

[cltrat]

Nah, a quick dash or two through bankruptcy court and we'll be fine.Seems to have worked well for you lot hasn't it?

get back with us and let us know how your pay and pensions fared in BK

I have to give you credit though, only there could you lose a qter billion dollars and still have that smug AAtitude

 

[SparrowHawk]

You've been prognosticating the demise of the airline for several years now and you have been wrong every time. Shut it, already.

LOL! I think I heard the first rumors of US Airways demise around the time I started flying and that was in 2000.

Between Bankruptcies, Mergers and operational SNAFU's the airline soldiers on.

Frankly I'm pleasantly surprised. With some of the Customer unfriendly moves made in recent past I was expecting an absolute bloodbath of red ink. A loss of less than 50 million and an additional 100 million growth in unrestricted cash is not to shabby. Granted the debt is to stinking high still but with a profitable Q2 & Q3 and fuel prices stabalizing they should be able to whittle away at the debt numbers.

Can you imagine what any airlines P & L would look like if they were debt free?? Seems like the industry is a debt generating machine on rival with the federal government.

US always had pretty good "Numbers Guys", what they lack is a strong focus on the customer. Yes it's much better, however IMO they are plagued by sloppy poorly performing IT and this IMO effects the bottom line in untold tiny ways that when compiled provide a significant opportunity for the airline to drive cost out of the business process. Any activity that can be streamlined or automated, whether it be on the Customer experience side or within opperations will eventually flow to the bottom line.

An airline is no place for Home Grown "DIY" solutions to complex workflow challenges in every aspect of their business. The largest single metric in aviation is measured in 60 second intervals. Minutes are money! Either saved or spent. A 10 second difference in processing speed per transaction translates into less agents required system wide, outsourced on otherwise. Turning an aircraft 2 minutes sooner means the planes can fly more and generate more revenue. It goes on and on really. People point to WN and argue that their advantage came from Fuel hedges and point to point flying. While partly true the overarcing reason is they are slaves to the clock. When WN started things were no bed of roses in fact one of the 4 planes they leased was reposessed. In order to survive they had to figure out a way to fly the routes they had with one less aircraft. This is how the airline developed its "Do it Right Now" approach to everything which leads to their planes being in the air generating 20% more revenue . The rampers turn more aircraft in an 8 hour period and so it cascades throughout the system. This shows up dramatically when you look at the employees to aircraft ratios. Last time I looked US was at 103 versus 79 for WN, which if you look at it on a percentage basis the differential is about 23%. Also of no coincedence is that folks who work for WN are paid more and now you see why.

Contrast this to the high cost of cheap, price of everything value of nothing, do it cheap not right approach at US Airways! then compare and contrast WN's Labor Relations approach of employees first with US Airways Adolf Hitler School of Management approach and it's easy to see why US Airways is always predicted to not be around.. An airline is only as good as its worst employee in my never to be humble opinion. As long as US continues on the Labor Relations path they are on they will NEVER achieve the consistent financial performance of WN. Instead they will trundle along with one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel until somebody puts the airline out of its misery.

 

[bigbusboy]

LOL! I think I heard the first rumors of US Airways demise around the time I started flying and that was in 2000.

Between Bankruptcies, Mergers and operational SNAFU's the airline soldiers on.

Frankly I'm pleasantly surprised. With some of the Customer unfriendly moves made in recent past I was expecting an absolute bloodbath of red ink. A loss of less than 50 million and an additional 100 million growth in unrestricted cash is not to shabby. Granted the debt is to stinking high still but with a profitable Q2 & Q3 and fuel prices stabalizing they should be able to whittle away at the debt numbers.

Can you imagine what any airlines P & L would look like if they were debt free?? Seems like the industry is a debt generating machine on rival with the federal government.

US always had pretty good "Numbers Guys", what they lack is a strong focus on the customer. Yes it's much better, however IMO they are plagued by sloppy poorly performing IT and this IMO effects the bottom line in untold tiny ways that when compiled provide a significant opportunity for the airline to drive cost out of the business process. Any activity that can be streamlined or automated, whether it be on the Customer experience side or within opperations will eventually flow to the bottom line.

An airline is no place for Home Grown "DIY" solutions to complex workflow challenges in every aspect of their business. The largest single metric in aviation is measured in 60 second intervals. Minutes are money! Either saved or spent. A 10 second difference in processing speed per transaction translates into less agents required system wide, outsourced on otherwise. Turning an aircraft 2 minutes sooner means the planes can fly more and generate more revenue. It goes on and on really. People point to WN and argue that their advantage came from Fuel hedges and point to point flying. While partly true the overarcing reason is they are slaves to the clock. When WN started things were no bed of roses in fact one of the 4 planes they leased was reposessed. In order to survive they had to figure out a way to fly the routes they had with one less aircraft. This is how the airline developed its "Do it Right Now" approach to everything which leads to their planes being in the air generating 20% more revenue . The rampers turn more aircraft in an 8 hour period and so it cascades throughout the system. This shows up dramatically when you look at the employees to aircraft ratios. Last time I looked US was at 103 versus 79 for WN, which if you look at it on a percentage basis the differential is about 23%. Also of no coincedence is that folks who work for WN are paid more and now you see why.

Contrast this to the high cost of cheap, price of everything value of nothing, do it cheap not right approach at US Airways! then compare and contrast WN's Labor Relations approach of employees first with US Airways Adolf Hitler School of Management approach and it's easy to see why US Airways is always predicted to not be around.. An airline is only as good as its worst employee in my never to be humble opinion. As long as US continues on the Labor Relations path they are on they will NEVER achieve the consistent financial performance of WN. Instead they will trundle along with one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel until somebody puts the airline out of its misery.

Very well said and the reason why I feel US should drop this "urge to merge" mentality and let the others do that, while taking advantage of the benefits of industry consolidation. The US franchise has real potential proven by recent numbers. Sure the balance sheet still needs improvement, but it has strengthened despite some very big obsticles/mistakes. Imagine what this place would be like if Tempe just showed some real leadership skills in moving this company forward. Instead, focus on improving corporate image, increasing productivity, becoming more customer friendly (specifically the business customer), and investing in some real and reliable IT. Productivity, employee respect, and image are what make WN consistently profitable; not market share, their network of flights, and alliances/code shares/mergers.

 

[usa1]

LOL! I think I heard the first rumors of US Airways demise around the time I started flying and that was in 2000.

Turned out to only be the US Airways employees demise ..... 25% of their pay check, 75% of retirement income, 80% of company contributions to 401K's, retirement health care ..... and more ???

The front-line employees carry this company on their backs ..... our families pay the price!

 

[Pilot692]

Very well said and the reason why I feel US should drop this "urge to merge" mentality and let the others do that, while taking advantage of the benefits of industry consolidation. The US franchise has real potential proven by recent numbers. Sure the balance sheet still needs improvement, but it has strengthened despite some very big obsticles/mistakes. Imagine what this place would be like if Tempe just showed some real leadership skills in moving this company forward. Instead, focus on improving corporate image, increasing productivity, becoming more customer friendly (specifically the business customer), and investing in some real and reliable IT. Productivity, employee respect, and image are what make WN consistently profitable; not market share, their network of flights, and alliances/code shares/mergers.

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