USS Liberty

[Dont call me Shirley]

Today marks the 40th anniversary of the attack on the USS Liberty.

http://ussliberty.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_%28AGTR-5%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

No matter which side of the controversy you believe, please take a moment to the remember the dead and the wounded.



Names of fatalities

* Cryptologic Tech 3rd Class William B. Allenbaugh, USN
* Lt Cmdr. Philip M. Armstrong Jr., USN
* Seaman Gary R. Blanchard, USN
* Cryptologic Technician 2nd Class Allen M. Blue, NSA
* Quartermaster 3rd Class Francis Brown, USN
* Cryptologic Tech 2nd Class Ronnie J. Campbell, USN
* Cryptologic Tech 2nd Class Jerry L. Converse, USN
* Cryptologic Tech 2nd Class Robert B. Eisenberg, USN
* Cryptologic Tech 2nd Class Jerry L. Goss, USN
* Cryptologic Tech 1st Class Curtis L. Graves, USN
* Cryptologic Tech Lawrence P. Hayden, USN
* Cryptologic Tech 1st Class Warren Hersey, USN
* Cryptologic Tech 3rd Class Alan Higgins, USN
* Seaman Carl L. Hoar, USN
* Cryptologic Tech 2nd Class Richard W. Keene, USN
* Cryptologic Tech James L. Lenau, USN
* Chief Cryptologic Tech Raymond E. Linn, USN



* Cryptologic Tech 1st Class James M. Lupton, USN
* Cryptologic Tech 3rd Class Duane R. Marggraf, USN
* Cryptologic Tech David W. Marlborough, USN
* Cryptologic Tech 2nd Class Anthony P. Mendle, USN
* Cryptologic Tech Carl C. Nygren, USN
* Lt. James C. Pierce, USN
* Sgt. Jack Raper, U.S.M.C.
* Cpl. Edward Rehmayer II, U.S.M.C.
* Interior Comms Electrician David N. Skolak, USN
* Cryptologic Tech 1st Class John C. Smith Jr, USN
* Chief Cryptologic Tech Melvin D. Smith, USN
* Postal Clerk 2nd Class John C. Spicher, USN
* Gunner's Mate 3rd Class Alexander N. Thompson, USN
* Cryptologic Tech 3rd Class Thomas R. Thornton, USN
* Cryptologic Tech 3rd Class Phillipe C. Tiedtke, USN
* Lt. Stephen S. Toth, USN
* Cryptologic Tech 1st Class Frederick J. Walton, USN

 

[TWAnr]

Some additional reference materials:

National Security Agency - USS Liberty

Anti-Defamation League - The USS Liberty Attack

USS Liberty - The Court of Inquiry

Jewish Virtual Library - USS Liberty

Jewish Virtual Library - The USS Liberty: Case Closed by Michael B. Oren

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

When "we"(usa) accidently blow an Iranian CIVILIAN jet out of the sky(USS Vincense(SP?), we EXPECT to believed, without exceptions(I absolutely believe it was a mistake")

But do we here in the "good ol' usa" except explanations as fast as we expect others to accent OUR explanations ??

I think NOT.

Make NO mistake about it. Israel is one TOUGH country, however they do NOT do anything, without TOTALLY thinking it through.

As to Palestine, I feel that they had their land stolen from them, by Israel, just like the American Indians did, here in the US !

Conflicting views ??

perhaps.


NH/BB's

 

[local 12 proud]

As to Palestine, I feel that they had their land stolen from them, by Israel, just like the American Indians did, here in the US !

Conflicting views ??

perhaps.
NH/BB's

What exactly gives you that feeling?

 

[delldude]

As to Palestine, I feel that they had their land stolen from them, by Israel, just like the American Indians did, here in the US !

Conflicting views ??

perhaps.
NH/BB's

Funny,I thought it was God given?? Or did I miss something Biblically?

As to the Palestinians.....Where have their Arab brethren been in support of their plight? They look down on the Palestinians and have for eons...and will continue to.Arabs look upon them as second class.

Nice maps

God spoke

"For all the Land which thou seest to thee will I give it and to thy seed forever."

Take Him to court

 

[Garfield1966]

I was pretty sure there were a few wars where Israel came out the victor. I could be wrong though. You know how the liberal media can lie about that stuff. Israel had more land then they have right now but traded it away for an enduring (at least so far) peace with Egypt.

I find it curious that an omnipotent being would concern it’s self with the allocation of land to certain peoples and deny others any such claim. Does this being play favorites?

The concept seems pretty vain and egocentric on human’s parts but what ever floats your boat.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Funny,I thought it was God given?? Or did I miss something Biblically?

As to the Palestinians.....Where have their Arab brethren been in support of their plight? They look down on the Palestinians and have for eons...and will continue to.Arabs look upon them as second class.

Nice maps

God spoke



Take Him to court

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While their "brothers" may look down upon them(palestine), that does NOT change the fact that Israel took their land.

You quote the "book", but there are multi-millions of people on this earth, who do NOT see it as the truth of All Things.

The bible is a history book with many prophecies....by Prophets . (Nothing MORE/nothing LESS)

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local 12,

Example A;

Palestine was on their land, and in 1948, the Israeli's took said land by FORCE.

Example B;

The American Indian occupied their land(usa), and beginning in 1607(Jamestown Virginia) the white european Invaders began the systematic task of removing the NA's from the land, and claiming it as THEIRS :down:

(The Indians NEVER claimed to OWN the land, because in their view, it was owned by CREATOR)

I'm hoping you respond with some biblical bull ####, about MANIFEST DESTINY !!!!!!!!!!!

NH/BB's

 

[delldude]

While their "brothers" may look down upon them(palestine), that does NOT change the fact that Israel took their land.

You quote the "book", but there are multi-millions of people on this earth, who do NOT see it as the truth of All Things.

The bible is a history book with many prophecies....by Prophets . (Nothing MORE/nothing LESS)

Eh...God sees it this way and thats all thats going to matter in the end 😉

 

[local 12 proud]

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While their "brothers" may look down upon them(palestine), that does NOT change the fact that Israel took their land.

WRONG!

The historic Philistines (Hebrew פְּלְשְׁתִּים, plishtim; Arabic: فلسطين Filasṭīn, Falasṭīn) were a people who invaded the southern coast of Canaan around the time of the arrival of the Israelites, their territory being named Philistia in later contexts. Their origin has been debated among scholars, but modern archaeology has suggested early cultural links with the Mycenean world in mainland Greece.

The Philistines occupied the five cities of Gaza, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Ekron, and Gath, along the coastal strip of southwestern Canaan, that belonged to Egypt up to the closing days of the Nineteenth Dynasty (ended 1185 BC).

The Philistines long held a monopoly on iron smithing (a skill they possibly acquired during conquests in Anatolia), and the biblical description of Goliath's armor is consistent with this iron-smithing technology.

This powerful association of tribes made frequent incursions against the Hebrews. There was almost perpetual war between the two peoples. They sometimes held the Hebrews, especially the southern tribes, in servitude; at other times they were defeated with great slaughter.

The Philistines lost their independence to Tiglath-Pileser III of Assyria by 732 BC, and revolts in following years were all crushed. Later, Nebuchadrezzar II of Babylon eventually conquered all of Syria and the Kingdom of Judah, and the former Philistine cities became part of the Neo-Babylonian Empire. There are few references to the Philistines after this time period.

You quote the "book", but there are multi-millions of people on this earth, who do NOT see it as the truth of All Things.

...And there are multi-millions of people on this earth who DO see it as the truth to all things.

The bible is a history book with many prophecies....by Prophets . (Nothing MORE/nothing LESS)

Its not only a history book that can be backed up with written records (biblical and non-biblical) but archaeological proof as well. The Creator made it possible for even the skeptic to believe! 😉

Ten Prophecies Fullfilled In 1948
http://www.100prophecies.org/page3.htm
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local 12,

Example A;

Palestine was on their land, and in 1948, the Israeli's took said land by FORCE.

WRONG AGAIN!

Israel re-established sovereignty in 1948, after 2000 years of living in exile.

The term "Palestine" derives from the word Philistine, the word in Hebrew is פְּלְשְׁתִּים Pelishtim, this word is derived from the word פְּלִישָׁה Pelisha, meaning invasion or incursion.

The name was given to the non-Semitic ethnic group, originating from Southern Greece, closely related to early Mycenaean civilization. Inhabiting a smaller area on the southern coast called Philistia, whose borders approximate the modern Gaza Strip, Philistia encompassed the five cities of Gaza, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Ekron, and Gath.

Example B;

The American Indian occupied their land(usa), and beginning in 1607(Jamestown Virginia) the white european Invaders began the systematic task of removing the NA's from the land, and claiming it as THEIRS :down:

Most authorities agree that the Philistines are not autochthonous (indigenous) the regions of Israel/Palestine

In Egypt, a people called the "Peleset" (or, more precisely, prst), generally identified with the Philistines, appear in the Medinet Habu inscription of Ramesses III, where he describes his victory against the Sea Peoples, as well as the Onomasticon of Amenope (late Twentieth Dynasty) and Papyrus Harris I, a summary of Ramesses III's reign written in the reign of Ramesses IV.

I'm hoping you respond with some biblical bull ####, about MANIFEST DESTINY !!!!!!!!!!!

NH/BB's

Did'nt have to use MANIFEST DESTINY !!!!!!!!! proving you to be a liar does'nt get much easier, and from your unabated bashing of Israel I surmise your an anti-semite as well! <_<

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philistines
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

WRONG again local 12.

I do NOT have a anti-semite bone in my body !!!
I was under the false impression that it was palestinian land, but you very clearly corrected me.
Thank you !.........I stand corrected !!!

NOW, I'll await your reply about the actions against the Indigenous peoples of the America's .

Will I have to wait long....."12" ?????

NH/BB's

 

[777 fixer]

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local 12,

Example A;

Palestine was on their land, and in 1948, the Israeli's took said land by FORCE.

How could Israelis take the land by force since Israel itself did not exist? You also seem to forget that it was a UN mandate that created the Jewish state.

 

[local 12 proud]

WRONG again local 12.

I do NOT have a anti-semite bone in my body !!!

Could've fooled me!

I was under the false impression that it was palestinian land, but you very clearly corrected me.

...And just where did you get your 'false impression' NHBB? From your liberal media news source or just word of mouth? 🙄

Thank you !.........I stand corrected !!!

Why certainly, I take delight in the truth!

NOW, I'll await your reply about the actions against the Indigenous peoples of the America's .

Will I have to wait long....."12" ?????

NH/BB's

What is it you wish me to say? That The europeans came to the americas and set up colonies after the original travellers wandered into this land?

The Native Americans are widely believed to have come to the Americas via the prehistoric Bering Land Bridge. However, this is not the only theory. Some archaeologists believe that the migration consisted of seafaring tribes that moved along the coast, avoiding mountainous inland terrain and highly variable terrestrial ecosystems. Other researchers have postulated an original settlement by skilled navigators from Oceania, though these American Aborigine people are believed to be nearly extinct. Yet another theory claims an early crossing of the Atlantic Ocean by people originating in Europe.

Are you asking me to admit that the American Indians were mistreated in a bygone era?...Absolutely!

You wanna know who mistreats the American Indian Today?

The American Indian Thats who!

So whats your point NHBB,... other than bashing 'whitey' and the 'Jew'?

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Thank you for your candor.........local 12 proud !

HILLARY/08'

NH/BB's

 

[Dont call me Shirley]

Boy, did this thread drift off topic!