West Wing

CaptBud330

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Did anyone watch West Wing tonight? If you didn''t , you missed perhaps the worst aviation oriented program except maybe Wesley Snipes in the movie Passenger 57 or Petroni flying the Concorde. The basis of tonights show was an unsafe nose gear light that was discovered when the gear was extended at FL 330. I''ve heard of stabalized approaches, but this would certainly set a record even if it were permitted to extend the gear at that altitude. The final scene of the show, we heard the Captain announce to the passengers aboard Air Force One the wind had shifted at Andrews and they would be landing on RW 39.
Just one more reason not to watch this liberal show.
 

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The other show going on in Washington right now is doing so well. Old man Bush wasn''t half the president his son is.When the father was president I only took a 15% paycut. Now that his idiot son is president I get to take a 40% paycut. Way to go George!
 

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On 4/3/2003 4:24:27 AM Mike W wrote:

Yeah,
The other show going on in Washington right now is doing so well. Old man Bush wasn''t half the president his son is.When the father was president I only took a 15% paycut. Now that his idiot son is president I get to take a 40% paycut. Way to go George!

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I believe the facts will show the economic downturn was in progress during the last half of Clinton''s second term. Also, you should NEVER forget that the depth of our economic problem today can be layed squarely at the feet of a group of murderers that turned airplanes into bombs on 9-11. I will have the image of that horror in my mind for the rest of my LIFE.

How soon you forget.

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On 4/2/2003 9:58:00 PM CaptBud330 wrote:

Did anyone watch West Wing tonight? If you didn''t , you missed perhaps the worst aviation oriented program except maybe Wesley Snipes in the movie Passenger 57 or Petroni flying the Concorde. The basis of tonights show was an unsafe nose gear light that was discovered when the gear was extended at FL 330. I''ve heard of stabalized approaches, but this would certainly set a record even if it were permitted to extend the gear at that altitude. The final scene of the show, we heard the Captain announce to the passengers aboard Air Force One the wind had shifted at Andrews and they would be landing on RW 39.
Just one more reason not to watch this liberal show.

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Well, Bud, I like the liberal orientation of the show, but aviation fact is non-ideological and I agree with you 100%. That episode lost me right at the beginning when they referred to being routed to the "Valhalla vector" (I think they meant intersection) or some such nonsense. I''m amazed that an episode revolving around aviation was not vetted for accuracy. God, how hard would it have been to find out that Andrews has two parallel runways, 1/19 L and R? The fact that they refueled in mid air struck me as stupid; if you needed to make a nose-up landing, you would not want extra fuel and weight on board -- you''d want close to dry tanks and the slowest Vref possible. The episode was pretty bad in all respects relating to flying and it was all so unnecessary.
 

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Egh gads! Mike W, such strong words,calling our Commander and Chief old man and an idiot-It is scary to me that you hold a chair position on any committee if you conduct yourself in such a manner with name calling and such a selfish, and not to mention hostile attitude toward the world. You CANNOT POSSIBLEY believe President Bush had anything to do with your pay cut. COME ON! It is also unbelievable that when we finally have a ethical president that has the best for our country in mind instead of Clinton who was an embarrasment and unfit for the job is just to much. And especially in this time of war we need to respect those in charge because our troops and our President need our support more that ever. And I agree entirley with Capt Bob, the West Wing is trash and it is the liberals entertainment and I just cant stand watching Martin Sheen.
 

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On 4/3/2003 11:21:39 PM PineyBob wrote:


Guys,
A sitting President of either party doesn't have all that dramatic of an impact on the economy. Arguing which person was responsible for the start of the recession is mere rearranging of deck chairs on the Titanic.

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Agree with you Bob. The fact that the downturn started during the Clinton administration was incidental IMO. The economy cycles and if you want to point a finger at any one factor that has great influence, it would have to be consumer confidence. ABC, CBS and NBC have more influence over it than anyone's administration.

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Actually, Bush had quite a bit to do with paycuts. This Administration used the ATSB as leverage to lower wages and bust unions, according to Woerth of ALPA and Roach of IAM. One of the big reasons some smaller carriers were denied ATSB loan guarantees was their workforces' payscales were already at the bottom.

Intriguingly, fares and labor costs do not have a direct correlation. Consider;

1. WN, with uniformly lower fares, pays their agents MORE than U pays its agents.

2. ASA, which pays its agents less than U mainline, has the same fares as U in head to head markets. Obviously, the labor savings that ASA realizes is not passed on to the consumer.

And lastly, ethics is a fine, but not the sole trait a leader should demonstrate. An inquisitive mind capable of nuance goes along with high ethics quite nicely. We will rue the day we thumbed our nose at the world.

Having said that, the time for protest ended when the first 2000 pounder fell off the F-117's rack.

I pray for an additional measure of wisdom for the President and safety for our troops.
 

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On 4/4/2003 8:07:01 PM diogenes wrote:

Actually, Bush had quite a bit to do with paycuts. This Administration used the ATSB as leverage to lower wages and bust unions, according to Woerth of ALPA and Roach of IAM. One of the big reasons some smaller carriers were denied ATSB loan guarantees was their workforces'' payscales were already at the bottom.

Intriguingly, fares and labor costs do not have a direct correlation. Consider;

1. WN, with uniformly lower fares, pays their agents MORE than U pays its agents.

2. ASA, which pays its agents less than U mainline, has the same fares as U in head to head markets. Obviously, the labor savings that ASA realizes is not passed on to the consumer.

And lastly, ethics is a fine, but not the sole trait a leader should demonstrate. An inquisitive mind capable of nuance goes along with high ethics quite nicely. We will rue the day we thumbed our nose at the world.

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Lay off the crack pipe would ya. Bush has nothing to do with the pay cuts. Airline employees have made much more than the average Joe has for half the work that the average Joe does. Why is it that the second an airline makes .10 cents that all the unions demand .09 of it? Airlines are "supposed" to make money for the STOCK HOLDERS not to make the employees rich. If Bush is so "evil" then where is all your contempt for BJ Clinton and his Enron, WorldCom etc, connections. They all cost billions of dollars to both employees and stockholders, but I can''t seem to hear you crying about Clinton the cigar biotch.

ASA flys under the Delta colors - not on their own. Just like the WO at U the public pays what Delta sets as the ticket price. Its amazing that ASA gives the same if not better service than the "Almighty ML U". Maybe thats the reason ASA made a profit and U is in bankruptcy.(oops, you just got out of bankruptcy, lets see how long that lasts)

Finally we WILL NOT rue the day we snubbed the world, rather it will be the other way around. The snail eating maggots in france (purposely with a small "f"), the goose stepping Nazis (oops I mean Germans) and the Russians depend on the US to the not only secure the world''s peace but also its economy. Maybe if you got out from under Uncle Bill''s desk and took a look around you would realize that the US doesn''t get financial/military aide from any of the weasel countries and for that matter ANY country. The world looks to the US as both the policeman and the loan officer, not the other way around. If you hate Bush so much get the hell out of my country and go live with the "heros" of the world like Chirac, Saddam or Schroeder.

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My, my, what a nasty and personal post. Is it the prune juice or the Viagra that's not working?
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First, my folks got here before the Revolution. We've fought and died in every scrap this country has been in. I have kin buried in a Revolutionary battlefield. Dad did WWII and Korea. I was too young for Vietnam, and too old for Desert Storm. But if they'd have me, I'd love to go after Osama - right in the crosshairs, with a 2 lb trigger pull and a crisp break. So, it ain't your country for me to get the he// out of. The country I am of has a diversity of opinions, and a first amendment that says I can pretty much say whatever I want to. Funny you mention the Nazis - they, too, didn't like adverse opinions, nor did they have a first amendment. Sound familiar?

I never said I liked Clinton. I am saying I don't like Bush any better. And if memory serves, Ken 'Kenny boy' Lay was Bush's buddy.

Regarding fares, interesting points, but the fact remains - low wages do not necessarily mean low fares. QED.

As for ASA service, I get to watch it every day. I'll put my dogs up against their dogs any day.

As for airline wages, what would you say is the right amount? Dazzle me with your all-knowing insight.

And to save you some time, I am not about to waste another second in a pi$$ing contest - I'm done.
 

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On 4/4/2003 8:25:32 PM exagony wrote:


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On 4/4/2003 8:07:01 PM diogenes wrote:

Actually, Bush had quite a bit to do with paycuts. This Administration used the ATSB as leverage to lower wages and bust unions, according to Woerth of ALPA and Roach of IAM. One of the big reasons some smaller carriers were denied ATSB loan guarantees was their workforces' payscales were already at the bottom.

Intriguingly, fares and labor costs do not have a direct correlation. Consider;

1. WN, with uniformly lower fares, pays their agents MORE than U pays its agents.

2. ASA, which pays its agents less than U mainline, has the same fares as U in head to head markets. Obviously, the labor savings that ASA realizes is not passed on to the consumer.

And lastly, ethics is a fine, but not the sole trait a leader should demonstrate. An inquisitive mind capable of nuance goes along with high ethics quite nicely. We will rue the day we thumbed our nose at the world.

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Finally we WILL NOT rue the day we snubbed the world, rather it will be the other way around. The snail eating maggots in france (purposely with a small "f"), the goose stepping Nazis (oops I mean Germans) and the Russians depend on the US to the not only secure the world's peace but also its economy. Maybe if you got out from under Uncle Bill's desk and took a look around you would realize that the US doesn't get financial/military aide from any of the weasel countries and for that matter ANY country. The world looks to the US as both the policeman and the loan officer, not the other way around. If you hate Bush so much get the hell out of my country and go live with the "heros" of the world like Chirac, Saddam or Schroeder.

The Few, The Proud, The Dead on the Beach


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Ex,

Get out of YOUR country? Who are you...mangement?

I'm no Bush loyalist, and I guess that means half the voters in US should leave, cause the guy barely won his election. Not being a big fan of the President and his actions, does NOT make you unpatriotic...if you think that, your ignorant.

We're in IRAQ now, and I'm not going to start with the should've and could've at this late stage. But, your thinking IS NOT shared with the rest of the world. NO country wants the US to police the world, accept some of the US citizens of the US that think their philosophy of existence is the ONLY way.

And, your thoughts on being a loan officer for the world....ain't many folks who would refuse cash, but even with the cash, we are not getting alot of support from other countries on this. If you disregard the UN, then so will the rest of the world when the next shoe drops.
 

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On 4/3/2003 11:21:39 PM PineyBob wrote:


Guys,

A sitting President of either party doesn''t have all that dramatic of an impact on the economy. Arguing which person was responsible for the start of the recession is mere rearranging of deck chairs on the Titanic.

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Very true. However, I will blame Bush for several things which haven''t helped the economy a whit:

1) Campaigning in 2000 constantly yelling that the economy was in a downturn. The economy is largely driven by public perception, and if you yell "its awful" long enough, and enough people believe you (and apparently there are enough people that will believe whatever their party leaders claim regardless of party), then you actually will end up with a recession.

2) Starting wars doesn''t help....

3) Thinking I''m dumb enough to believe that his tax cut plans are going to do anything to help the economy.

The fact is, the economy stinks....
 

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Properly targeted tax cuts will spur an economy. The tax cuts Bush wants will not. He can''t even convince his own party of yes-men... that should tell you something...
 

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