What am I missing?

[local 12 proud]

I have always believed people/nation states should be held accountable for their actions.

I do not believe that one nation has the right, much less the moral authority to tell another how to conduct its internal affairs.

On the one hand you say they (Nations) should be held accountable for their actions, and on the other you state No other Nation has the right or moral authority to interfere.

You Libs kill me with your asinine logic...

I cannot think of any nations off the top of my head whose hands are clean.

Slavery was abolished in this country almost 150 years ago, get over it!

Both actions are equally appalling and an affront to humanity.

Yes and to this day the slave trade is alive and well in Africa.

 

[Garfield1966]

He US had nothing to do with the sex slaves of Japan. If China and the other nations who had women who were victims wish to extract their pound of flesh, that is up to them. Accountability needs to come from with in IMO. Having someone ‘forced’ to apologize on insults the victim more. If the people of Japan feel accountable and want their government to apologize, they will get their government to do so.

Then there are the external influences that we have control over. The US could place trade embargoes or tariffs for instance. That is something that we have control over. To pass a silly non-binding resolution compelling Japan is an utter waste of time.

While slavery was ‘legally’ abolished 150 years ago, Rosa Parks was forced to ride in the back of the bus up until 1955 when she said no more. Also, it was not until 1964 that the civil rights act was passed.

Please do not try and pretend that the onus of slavery just magically disappeared with the passing of the 13th amendment in 1865. While they may have been free, blacks were by n means considered members of society on an equal footing with whites.

What does the existence of slavery in other parts of the world have to do with anything in the US?

 

[UAL_TECH]

No sure how you got that out of my original statement. If you were unclear on what I was saying perhaps next time you can ask for a clarification.

I have always believed people/nation states should be held accountable for their actions. I do not believe that one nation has the right, much less the moral authority to tell another how to conduct its internal affairs. I cannot think of any nations off the top of my head whose hands are clean.

As for Hoffa, it is an analogy. Hoffa was a murder and for him to condemn someone else for murder would be hypocritical just as I feel it is hypocritical of the US, given our past use of slaves to be condemning Japan for its use of sex slaves. Neither action is supportable and neither nation has the moral authority to condemn the other. Both actions are equally appalling and an affront to humanity.

Yes, I see….
Your analogies are just discombobulated (thoughtfully so). You draw parallelisms when there is none but it ‘somehow’ turns into an analogy. :blink:
Thanks for clearing this up. :wacko:

UT

 

[local 12 proud]

Accountability needs to come from with in IMO.

Yea thats worked out so well under regimes like Saddam's just to name one.

Then there are the external influences that we have control over. The US could place trade embargoes or tariffs for instance. That is something that we have control over. To pass a silly non-binding resolution compelling Japan is an utter waste of time.

Yea Cuba, Syria, Iraq, Iran, North Korea and a host of others have really been brought to their knees by those pesky trade embargoe's. We deny while Russia and China supply. Of course we should not intervene since our hands are so dirty. <_<

While slavery was ‘legally’ abolished 150 years ago, Rosa Parks was forced to ride in the back of the bus up until 1955 when she said no more. Also, it was not until 1964 that the civil rights act was passed.

So what are you personally doing to make ammends? The past cannot be changed, you claim to have no children so why not adopt a poor black crack baby and give them an opportunity? or is it that you would just like to see everyone else sacrifice as long as your life style remains kosher, you know kinda like Al Gore. Whats your solution except for the typical liberal grand standing?

Please do not try and pretend that the onus of slavery just magically disappeared with the passing of the 13th amendment in 1865. While they may have been free, blacks were by n means considered members of society on an equal footing with whites.

They have the same rights as my Irish Arse has, if not more.

What does the existence of slavery in other parts of the world have to do with anything in the US?

We no longer adhere to that form of Inhumanity, yet many nations still do. Still somehow you think we should be catergorized has 'having dirty hands'.

This Good Ole USA is the most compassionate country on the face of the earth, how many times have we gone to the aid of other countries when disaster strikes? how much money is given to the cause of aids and other diseases by our country throughout the world? How many times have we defended our allies with American blood? Who else defeats their enemies yet makes them stronger economically than they were before?... Yet we are labeled as Evil by some of the very nations we support, and sadly by many of its own citizens just like you.

I hear how bad America is all the time , yet millions migrate here every year and the funny part is no one is packing their bags to leave, tell me why that is. I challenge you to show me a better place on earth to live, if you can then whats your excuse for staying?.. You know a place called Utopia?.. Then saddle up your pony and dont let the sun go down on your backside.

You people are pathetic.

 

[Garfield1966]

Acceptability/apologies like democracy must come from with in. If the people do not feel they have any thign to be sorry about, then an apology will not be forth coming. Just as in Iraq or Cuba, if the people are not willing to fight for freedom, then forcing it on them will not succeed.

I agree with you that external influences are not always successful such as in the examples you cited but that is the way the game is played. You can’t always win.

My wife and I had considered adopting but given our age (we got married late in life) our work schedule and a few other factors, we do not feel we could provide an appropriate environment to raise a child.

As you stated, the past cannot be changed. I do feel that an acknowledgment of what happened would be a start. Virginia came close and I would like to see the rest of the nation follow suit.

Yes, since 1964 when the civil rights amendment was passed, blacks are on the same legal footing as anyone else. IMO, they along with most other minorities of color do not have the same opportunities. Schools in the inner cities are not as good as those say in 90021. Just as one example, last year there was a piece run on the local news. A black family, clean cut, with cash in hand went in to an apt complex with an under cover camera. No vacancies. A white couple goes into the same apt complex 1 hour later cash in hand. They magically had an open apt and got to rent it. When confronted, they kicked the news crew out. Go figure. Then there was the story a few years ago about the US secret service guys in Denny’s. Why was it such a big deal this past super bowl that there were two black coaches? Why is it that Obama is the first black person to run for POTUS? There was a program on last season with two families. One white, the other was black. Through the magic of some really incredible make up, they "changed" races. Both families commented how differently they were treated by people.

While there is no way to determine exactly how much racism, sexism, or any other –isms exist, they do exist. Probably far more than you would like to admit and far less than I believe does exist. I do know that if given a choice, I would rather come back as a ‘white’ rather than a minority of color.

I’ll have to look for the study but IIRC, our compassion is a lower percentage of our GDP than several other nations. I’m not saying that is bad, just pointing out that we donate far less as a percentage. Also, IIRC, those donations sometimes come with strings attached. Again, it’s our money and we can attach what ever strings we want to it, but that can lead to resentment especially if the nation in question is between a rock and a hard place.

There are a few countries I would rather live in but my family is here, my job is here, I have no interest in learning another language (american was enough for me) so I stay where I am. Switzerland and Finland are two that I can think of off the top of my head. Aside from that, there is no Utopia as you pointed out. What disappoints me about this country is there are so many who are content with the way things are. I am not, I see the US and think that there is so much more potential but that’s just me. Never happy with what is, always wanting better.

 

[UAL_TECH]

😀

Acceptability/apologies like democracy must come from with in. If the people do not feel they have any thign to be sorry about, then an apology will not be forth coming. Just as in Iraq or Cuba, if the people are not willing to fight for freedom, then forcing it on them will not succeed.

I agree with you that external influences are not always successful such as in the examples you cited but that is the way the game is played. You can’t always win.

My wife and I had considered adopting but given our age (we got married late in life) our work schedule and a few other factors, we do not feel we could provide an appropriate environment to raise a child.

As you stated, the past cannot be changed. I do feel that an acknowledgment of what happened would be a start. Virginia came close and I would like to see the rest of the nation follow suit.

Yes, since 1964 when the civil rights amendment was passed, blacks are on the same legal footing as anyone else. IMO, they along with most other minorities of color do not have the same opportunities. Schools in the inner cities are not as good as those say in 90021. Just as one example, last year there was a piece run on the local news. A black family, clean cut, with cash in hand went in to an apt complex with an under cover camera. No vacancies. A white couple goes into the same apt complex 1 hour later cash in hand. They magically had an open apt and got to rent it. When confronted, they kicked the news crew out. Go figure. Then there was the story a few years ago about the US secret service guys in Denny’s. Why was it such a big deal this past super bowl that there were two black coaches? Why is it that Obama is the first black person to run for POTUS? There was a program on last season with two families. One white, the other was black. Through the magic of some really incredible make up, they "changed" races. Both families commented how differently they were treated by people.

While there is no way to determine exactly how much racism, sexism, or any other –isms exist, they do exist. Probably far more than you would like to admit and far less than I believe does exist. I do know that if given a choice, I would rather come back as a ‘white’ rather than a minority of color.

I’ll have to look for the study but IIRC, our compassion is a lower percentage of our GDP than several other nations. I’m not saying that is bad, just pointing out that we donate far less as a percentage. Also, IIRC, those donations sometimes come with strings attached. Again, it’s our money and we can attach what ever strings we want to it, but that can lead to resentment especially if the nation in question is between a rock and a hard place.

There are a few countries I would rather live in but my family is here, my job is here, I have no interest in learning another language (american was enough for me) so I stay where I am. Switzerland and Finland are two that I can think of off the top of my head. Aside from that, there is no Utopia as you pointed out. What disappoints me about this country is there are so many who are content with the way things are. I am not, I see the US and think that there is so much more potential but that’s just me. Never happy with what is, always wanting better.

Please, oh great one, tell us how this is on topic of the comfort women issue? Can you discuss and resolve 'one' subject at a time or is it in your infirm intellect to group all topics into one? You know, for us 'little minded' people, we need clarification not rhetoric.
You have an excess of one and none of the other……..

B) UT

 

[Garfield1966]

I guess sometimes conversations evolve and diverge from the original topic. I do not see anything wrong with that.

 

[local 12 proud]

There are a few countries I would rather live in but my family is here, my job is here, I have no interest in learning another language (american was enough for me) so I stay where I am.

OK I get it now, basically your lazy and just like to b!tch.

Never happy with what is, always wanting better.

...Nuff said 😉

 

[Garfield1966]

How exactly does wanting to be near my family and wanting to stay with my career constitute lazy? Out of the 3, language would clearly be lowest priority but yet you chose to latch on that that one? Curious.

Also, what is wrong with wanting to see improvement over what is? Or are you of the opinion that we are perfect as we are ... or do you feel we are incapable of further improvement?

 

[delldude]

You don't want to come back black...Hmmmm.....if a Republican had said that,it would cost them removal from office....

But you lean Dem/Lib so you're not to be held accountable.

As you stated, the past cannot be changed. I do feel that an acknowledgment of what happened would be a start. Virginia came close and I would like to see the rest of the nation follow suit.

I'd like to take this opportunity to appologize for all the damage done to the United States of America through failed and half assed Liberal Agenda based legislation and failed social programs that to this day have cost taxpayers countless untold millions/billions/trillions... :mf_boff:

There are a few countries I would rather live in but my family is here, my job is here, I have no interest in learning another language (american was enough for me) so I stay where I am.

Tell me where this 'American' is spoke?I studied English but never hear'd no friggin American.....

 

[UAL_TECH]

I guess sometimes conversations evolve and diverge from the original topic. I do not see anything wrong with that.

Of course you do not. You might have to answer a question without a great amount of personal rhetoric and hyperbole all the while not addressing the topic. If you are confused, we all understand, but don’t mask your indecisiveness with what you may deem as an intellectual discussion (mind masturbation... 😛 ).

Although I am an A$$ myself, I try to answer direct questions with direct answers.

You never do...

 

[local 12 proud]

How exactly does wanting to be near my family and wanting to stay with my career constitute lazy? Out of the 3, language would clearly be lowest priority but yet you chose to latch on that that one? Curious.

If life in America sucks for you, then load up the little lady go to one of those places you would prefer to live and get a job. its that simple, language is not a problem since English is pretty much spoken universally. Heck the non english speaking illegals who cross our borders daily seem to make out just fine, and they come with only the clothes on their backs.

Also, what is wrong with wanting to see improvement over what is? Or are you of the opinion that we are perfect as we are ... or do you feel we are incapable of further improvement?

perfect?...nah but its still the greatest country and form of government ever established.

America, Love it or Leave it!

'Tis fine to see the Old World and travel up and down
Among the famous palaces and cities of renown,
To admire the crumblyh castles and the statues and kings
But now I think I've had enough of antiquated things.

So it's home again, and home again, America for me!
My heart is turning home again and there I long to be,
In the land of youth and freedom, beyond the ocean bars,
Where the air is full of sunlight and the flag is full of stars.

Oh, London is a man's town, there's power in the air;
And Paris is a woman's town, with flowers in her hair;
And it's sweet to dream in Venice, and it's great to study Rome;
But when it comes to living there is no place like home.

I like the German fir-woods in green battalions drilled;
I like the gardens of Versailles with flashing foutains filled;
But, oh, to take your had, my dear, and ramble for a day
In the friendly western woodland where Nature has her sway!

I know that Europe's wonderful, yet something seems to lack!
The Past is too much with her, and the people looking back.
But the glory of the Present is to make the Future free--
We love our land for what she is and what she is to be.

Oh, it's home again, and home again, America for me!
I want a ship that's westward bound to plough the rolling sea,
To the blessed Land of Room Enough, beyond the ocean bars,
Where the air is full of sunlight and the flag is full of stars.

...Henry Van Dyke

 

[Garfield1966]

Tell me where this 'American' is spoke?I studied English but never hear'd no friggin American.....

I thought you and I already had this debate. I guess it was someone else.

Anyway, here is my rational. First, Germans speak German, French speak French, English speak English, Why shouldn’t Americans Speak American? After all, there are numerous differences in word usage in my opinion that would differentiate the language. To name just a few … You and I wear a boot, they have one at the back of their car. We use a ‘rubber’ as a contraceptive, they use it to erase pencil marks, and the list goes on. Just seems natural for us as Americans to speak American. I guess it’s my own personal cause. I know when I read Shakespeare in high school and college the ‘Kings English’ made very little sense to me.

I figured you being all patriotic and everything would be the last to question us speaking ‘American’.

I try to answer direct questions with direct answers.

 

[delldude]

I figured you being all patriotic and everything would be the last to question us speaking ‘American’.

I speaka de English,dude....

I flunka de English,twelveth grade

Now Kapeesh? 😉

 

[CSAR GYRENE]

I speaka de English,dude....

I flunka de English,twelveth grade

Now Kapeesh? 😉

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