What Happen To The Concessions

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Airline losses likely

Jet fuel prices expected to more than offset passenger traffic growth


08:04 PM CDT on Monday, April 12, 2004


By ERIC TORBENSON / The Dallas Morning News



Hamstrung by oil prices, major airlines embark on another grim round of earnings Wednesday, when Delta Air Lines Inc. reports what analysts predict will be a first-quarter loss.

Delta's woes will start a losing streak that will add up to nearly $1 billion in total losses for the top carriers, according to analyst estimates.

Strong passenger traffic growth  though at low average airfares  will probably be masked by record-high jet fuel prices for the three months, analysts said.

Jet fuel prices are 41.4 percent above last year's at the same time, said James Higgins of Credit Suisse First Boston. He estimates the largest carriers  including bankrupt United Airlines Inc. and struggling US Airways Corp.  will lose $892 million for the first quarter.

Each dollar increase in oil prices adds $425 million to the industry's operating expenses, according to the Air Transport Association, a trade group that lobbies for large airlines.

Jamie Baker of J.P. Morgan Chase lowered some of his estimates for the major carriers Monday, saying in a research note, "The market appears to have realized that oil is expensive, and domestic revenue trend are uninspiring."

Mr. Baker also lowered earnings estimates for 2005 based on low prospects for revenue recovery among the largest carriers.

While overall passenger traffic has picked up over last year, total revenue hasn't kept pace because fast-growing discount airlines are forcing larger competitors to lower their fares.

Delta, the No. 3 carrier by size, has its hands full fighting low-cost rivals such as AirTran Airways Inc., based in Orlando, Fla.

But Delta's more immediate problem remains its costs relative to its peers. Delta has been in talks with its pilots' union about taking a substantial pay cut from current salary levels, which are the industry's highest. No agreement has been reached.

One analyst predicts that Dallas-based Southwest Airlines Co. could beat its expected profit of 4 cents a share when it reports Thursday. Mr. Higgins said in a note to investors Monday that Southwest may show stronger revenue than thought.

Likewise, Fort Worth-based AMR Corp. could also perform better than its expected loss of $1.07 per share because of successful cost savings, Mr. Higgins said. AMR reports next Wednesday.

The parent company of American Airlines Inc. has righted itself financially, said chief financial officer James Beer, but it has no fuel hedges in place to offset high oil prices.

"One of the things that's so frustrating about the recent run-up in fuel prices is that it has had the effect of washing over or negating some of the good work being done around the company on the cost line," Mr. Beer said in a recent interview.

That said, American's results are expected to show a nearly 17 percent improvement in unit costs compared with the first quarter of 2003.
American restructured its labor agreements last May to save $1.62 billion a year. Last spring, American had used futures markets to purchase fuel at prices far below the spot price of oil that now hovers near $35 a barrel. American liquidated those hedge positions to raise cash during its successful effort to stay out of bankruptcy.

"I would love to have those hedges back, but that's not the reality," Mr. Beer said. "The right decision was taken last year."
 
NO answer from those representing the TWU?

Why is there a difference in what the membership was told and what this reporter states?
 
Buck said:
NO answer from those representing the TWU?

Why is there a difference in what the membership was told and what this reporter states?
Well, you can't go too far to get the answer to that question Einstein!!! I believe you answered it for us!!!


Clue: Keyword "reporter"


And again you baffle us Buck!! What exactly is your point here? It's now the union's fault for the high cost of jet fuel?? It's the union's fault for AA being in the "green"?? Tell us.....what???

Then tell us the shape that NWA, UAL, US Air, and now even Delta (et al.) are in please!!!!

Share the love brother!!!
 
Bill said:
Well, you can't go too far to get the answer to that question Einstein!!! I believe you answered it for us!!!


Clue: Keyword "reporter"


And again you baffle us Buck!! What exactly is your point here? It's now the union's fault for the high cost of jet fuel?? It's the union's fault for AA being in the "green"?? Tell us.....what???

Then tell us the shape that NWA, UAL, US Air, and now even Delta (et al.) are in please!!!!

Share the love brother!!!
Thanks for the comparison to Einstein.

It would seem that is what AMFA supporters have been doing, asking and answering the questions. Those who would support the TWU that participate in this forum, don't.

I asked a simple question, if you have no answer then why respond? The members of the unions at AA were told that they needed to come up with 1.8 billion in concessions, the reporter states that only 1.62.

American restructured its labor agreements last May to save $1.62 billion a year

Is there more to be concede?

I believe that the TWU could answer this as they are the experts on concessions. They have been practicing the art of concessions since 1983.

The TWU claims to have pulled a fast one on Don Carty and nabbed him with his hand in the cookie jar when the unionized work force were forced to take concessions. This prowess would indicate that the TWU would surely know the difference from 1.8 billion to 1.62 billion.

When there were profits to be had and American was famous for hedging fuel, where were the constitutional objects and principles of the AFL-CIO and it's affiliated airline divisions? The non performance during profitable times only ensures inferior performance during economic downturns.

American continually cries about a level playing field with it's competitors. Yet every contract the company has gained concessions from at least the TWU, especially the mechanic craft and class. If the company did show a profit, it could be directly related to the concessionary contracts imposed by the TWU.
 
Buck, the difference is that the unionized groups were ordered (how can you call it asked?) to give back $1.62 billion, management gave up $100 million and the non-union rank and file gave back $80 million. Total = $1.8 billion.

$660 million from pilots, $620 million from ground workers, and $340 million from the FAs. That adds up to $1.62 billion. Add in the $180 million from management and non-union groups and you get the $1.8 billion.

Many news stories last year misquoted the numbers. But a google search (I'm too busy to do all the research today) will prove my recollection correct.

Even AMR got the numbers right in this ill-fated press release:

http://www.amrcorp.com/news/april03/16_consent.htm

This one left out the $180 million from management and non-union grunts:

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2003/2...5-amr-vote2.htm
 

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