What Is This New Tray Tool?

[CapnCockroach]

Saw a fellow passenger slip on a set of, " impediments to allowing the passenger in the seat in front of him, from leaning his seat back". This device slipped over or clipped on to his tray. It was very effective. Especially with AA cattle class seat pitch.

Does anyone know what these things are and where they can be found?

 

[Bob Owens]

Saw a fellow passenger slip on a set of, " impediments to allowing the passenger in the seat in front of him, from leaning his seat back". This device slipped over or clipped on to his tray. It was very effective. Especially with AA cattle class seat pitch.

Does anyone know what these things are and where they can be found?

[post="285431"][/post]​

I saw an ad for those things on a BB at work.

My guess is that the FAA will ban them in short order.

Basically the person using them is making an "illegal alteration" to equipement on the aircraft.

If an airline is certified by the FAA to have a certain degree of seat recline one passenger certainly does not have the right to deny another from reclining his seat.

They also present a potential safety hazard since if they are in place they prevent the tray table from being stowed .

It could result in aircraft damage. If the guy sees the seat next to him going back further than his his may put extra force on his seat and break the arms for the tray table.

Save your money (around $15), they wont be around long.

 

[CapnCockroach]

I saw an ad for those things on a BB at work.

My guess is that the FAA will ban them in short order.

Basically the person using them is making an "illegal alteration" to equipement on the aircraft.

If an airline is certified by the FAA to have a certain degree of seat recline one passenger certainly does not have the right to deny another from reclining his seat.

They also present a potential safety hazard since if they are in place they prevent the tray table from being stowed .

It could result in aircraft damage. If the guy sees the seat next to him going back further than his his may put extra force on his seat and break the arms for the tray table.

Save your money (around $15), they wont be around long.

[post="285433"][/post]​

Nice reply. Thank you.

I still believe in preventing the person in front of me from invading my personal space.

I love these things - and politely disagree that the FAA can disallow these Tray additives, since as soon as the Stewardess announces they should be put away, we put them away.

Aircraft damage? Hmmmmm. You might be right on that, but he will have to be very large or very drunk.

I'll be very happy to spend $15, anyone know where to buy them?

Thanks.

 

[FWAAA]

There were tons of news stories about this about 16 months ago. Here's a CNN article mentioning AA's position on the knee defender:

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/TRAVEL/04/04/bt.knee.defender/

Someone places this on my seat and they are gonna be in for a big surprise.

 

[Garfield1966]

I saw an ad for those things on a BB at work.

My guess is that the FAA will ban them in short order.

Basically the person using them is making an "illegal alteration" to equipement on the aircraft.

If an airline is certified by the FAA to have a certain degree of seat recline one passenger certainly does not have the right to deny another from reclining his seat.

They also present a potential safety hazard since if they are in place they prevent the tray table from being stowed .

It could result in aircraft damage. If the guy sees the seat next to him going back further than his his may put extra force on his seat and break the arms for the tray table.

Save your money (around $15), they wont be around long.

[post="285433"][/post]​

They have been around for close to 2 years and no one has said boo about them. I doubt they are going away anytime soon.

 

[Wretched Wrench]

They transfer all the force on the backrest to the tray arms. The tray arms are meant to support trays, not backrests. The restricted passenger will try harder to recline his seat.

Much expensive damage to tray arms and their mounts on the seat will result.

These seats are already too fragile.

 

[Bob Owens]

CapnCockroach,Aug 3 2005, 02:22 AM]
Nice reply. Thank you.

I still believe in preventing the person in front of me from invading my personal space.

Thats why they have First Class, its not your space.

I love these things - and politely disagree that the FAA can disallow these Tray additives, since as soon as the Stewardess announces they should be put away, we put them away.

Doesnt matter. Anything attached to the aircraft has to be approved by the FAA, especially if they interfere or modify the way something is designed to work.

Aircraft damage? Hmmmmm. You might be right on that, but he will have to be very large or very drunk.

Not really. Those arms are not designed to be that strong.

I'll be very happy to spend $15, anyone know where to buy them?

Not sure, the ad was torn out of a magazine. You should look in travel magazines.

 

[eolesen]

If they've been out for two years, how many broken tray tables are we seeing from it? With all the mechanics around here, you'd think that someone would know...

 

[ClueByFour]

You can accomplish the same thing (or almost, depending upon the strength/stamina/weight of the pax in the seat in front of you) with 1-2 copies of American Way, and there is no way in hades that AA is going to tell you the magazine is not a permissable item.

 

[Ch. 12]

I saw an ad for those things on a BB at work.

My guess is that the FAA will ban them in short order.

Basically the person using them is making an "illegal alteration" to equipement on the aircraft.

If an airline is certified by the FAA to have a certain degree of seat recline one passenger certainly does not have the right to deny another from reclining his seat.

They also present a potential safety hazard since if they are in place they prevent the tray table from being stowed .

It could result in aircraft damage. If the guy sees the seat next to him going back further than his his may put extra force on his seat and break the arms for the tray table.

Save your money (around $15), they wont be around long.

[post="285433"][/post]​

I don't agree with you often (ever?), Bob, but I am definitely with you on this. How ridiculous is it to prevent the person in front of you from reclining. The seat-back is above waist level and doesn't impede on leg room so to all those that use this annoying piece of harrassment, get over it...

If anyone ever uses these on my seat and I try to recline, I will definitely have a "polite" conversation with them. And the funny thing is that the people that are using these devices are those that are most likely to recline their seat. If you are that greedy with your space, pay the $$ for a biz or FC seat.

 

[AAStew]

We (Flight attendants) received an e-mail message on these last year. If we see them being used , we are to politely ask the passenger to cease using them. If they refuse, well I guess that would be interfering with crewmember instructions, true? Personally, anyone who uses these has to be an arrogant a-hole.
If you need more space buy a business or first class seat.

 

[CapnCockroach]

Personally, anyone who uses these has to be an arrogant a-hole.
If you need more space buy a business or first class seat.

[post="287268"][/post]​

Ahh. The AAmericAAn wAAy! 🙄

 

[Wretched Wrench]

Anyone who has ever repaired a seat or even just replaced one knows just how fragile they really are. I am absolutely incredulous that the airlines have not banned these things.

I should add that a fair percentage of cabin complaints in the logbook are non-level tray tables. Any bending on the tray arm or seatback attach point will affect the tray levelling.

And anyone who has done a cabin audit properly will find far more tray tables out of level that are ever written up. Whenever a mech adjusts the tray level, he is compensating for damage done by excessive force of some kind.

Figure it out.

Maybe someone here who cares can pass it on to someone who cares higher up.

No one cares here. "Just get it out on schedule".

 

[Ch. 12]

Ahh. The AAmericAAn wAAy! 🙄

[post="287270"][/post]​

Sorry but it's true. Don't expect to recline your seat, prevent the pax in front of you from reclining, AND pay a rock-bottom fare in coach. If you are that important that your space and comfort needs come before all others on the A/C, pay the $$ and sit in first. It's not that difficult. I don't feel that your comfort is any more important than mine and agree that it is an arrogant individual that feels that way.

 

[nycbusdriver]

I think the FAA can solve this problem with simple guidelines on allowable seat recline vs. pitch. If an airline wants to run a leg-numbing 30 inch pitch, then all seats should be restricted from more than an inch or two of recline. Relax the pitch and they can increase the recline allowance.

Of course, the FAA would never actually solve the CAUSE of a problem, they merely regulate alleviation of symptoms. The classic case-in-point: fired station agent shoots both pilots; airplane crashes killing all. FAA solution: send all crew members through screening, but let agents continue to use security bypass.

As far as just buying a business class seat, I find it ludicrous that if the person in front of me in coach decides to recline, I cannot even hold a normal hardcover book in a position to read comfortably. Ever try to set your box lunch and drink down on your tray table with the person in front fully reclined, and then try to actually eat your meal under those conditions? Sorry, but the reclines DO INDEED encroach on MY space. Personally, I never recline my coach seat more than an inch or two, simply out of respect for the person behind. "Do unto others..." is called the Golden Rule for a reason. But then, most customers think that their $49 fare means ownership of the airline and that the flight attendants are hired servants. It's sad how people behave, really.