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What's Next for US?

What's wrong with PHX?
In terms of margins, WN.

If an AA/US combined carrier wants to compete in the West against DL in SLC and UA in LAX, SFO, and DEN then a hub in the west will be necessary
You'd think that. But for some reason AA has this history of buying into SJC and then drawing it down. Maybe the third time would be the charm, but WN has saturated the good hub options other than SFO (which is pretty much UA).

Why surrender it to SW and Allegiant?
Because WN can survive on margins that would kill AA.
 
IAD has the benefit of government traffic but EWR obviously benefits from an otherwise larger local market and I'm not sure they'd want to split the flow traffic between two gateways now that they are one airline.
I doubt they want to, but given the size and makeup of both markets' O&D, they'd be foolish not to. Short of convincing the US Government to move back to NYC, I suspect both will be kept mighty well serviced internationally.
 
I believe that this merger is inevitable, the presure for One World to compete against Sky Team and Star for the US market, will be driving force.
 
Um, AA really can't expand anymore at JFK.
They can and they are. AA is not building a hub operation there, they will continue to offer service to high yeild markets from there.

US Airways has over 400 departures per day at PHL. We will gain many routes to Europe AA does not serve, like:

1. Oslo
2. Tel Aviv
3. Athens
4. Stockholm
5. Amsterdam
6. Munich
All of those AA could start from anywhere at at any time with out the bother of buying another carrier and all its debt.

I think the AA/US deal will be a reality sooner than later. Arpey can't stand the fact he is running the airline that was #1 and now is a distant 3rd.
Interesting how AA sat on the side lanes through all those mergers. If that were true you would have seen AA trying to find a more compatable partner rather than sit it out waiting to see who no one else wanted.
 
why not US Airways and JetBlue merge with hubs in Boston, New York JFK, Philadelphia, Washington DCA, Charlotte and Orlando (or wherever their Florida hub is).

Sell off LGA assets to American for some DCA slots, join One World and try to join ATI with British, Iberia, and American.


One World would be really strong on the East coast in all the major markets except Atlanta if JetBlue/US were to join OneWorld.
 
AA pulled out of TLV and would lose an AC if they went back. When AA bought TWA , AA pulled out of TLV and TWA TLV employees have a standing court order to seize any AA AC. So don't look for AA to head to TLV anytime soon. That is why they only codeshare there now.
 
If anyone things AA would merge or buy US Airways they are in for the surprise of their life. Ask any TWA employee that was STL how that deal sent down. Agents, FA, Ramp, Mechanics that did keep their job were tacked onto the bottom of the AA seniority. So if you had 35 years with TWA and you moved over to AA you would be under all AA employees system wide. AA would tear US Airways apart little by little. AA owns American Eagle so the express carriers would probably dealt with the same. So Piedmont and PSA would be mergered into AA. Not a pretty picture.

Years ago when TWA opened up YYZ, I was at a travel agent meeting at the top of the Toronto Tower and many of the travel agents said AA should be NA. NAZI AIR instead of American Airlines.
 
So if you had 35 years with US and you moved over to AA you would be under all AA employees system wide.

Not True. Although that is what happened to the TWA employees for the most part, it wouldn't happen today. Thanks to the TWA employees the laws have been changed and you can't "staple" another list to the bottom of yours. There has to be a "fair" integration, What "fair" means is open to interpretation.
 
Let's leave the labor related discussions to their appropriate threads. This one is about the next steps for US now that UA and CO have decided to merge...

Any attempts to hijack this or any other thread back to labor disputes will be dealt with.
 
I hope US looks inward and focuses top down on it's own issues before attempting another ill-fated stab at consolidation. First and foremost, this pilot seniority integration issue has to be resolved. I don't know how much, if any, influence management has toward brokering a resolution, or if it really wants to, but this dispute is definitely slowing this company down. As one who is not in the pilot work group I don't feel that it's appropriate for me to weigh in too heavily on this ongoing dispute other than to say that as a member of one of many work groups that work for this company, and that has a stake in the future of this company as a going concern, the time has long come to put this acrimonious seniority integration battle in our corporate rear view mirror. Some pilots will tell other work groups to mind their business, but obviously this impasse is the business of every man or woman who punches a clock in this company.

As I have digested the broad outline of the dispute I can see both sides. As an east employee, I have worked with pilots who are frustrated with the whole process and who do not exempt their union leadership of culpability in this fiasco. I also know first hand of the sacrifices that our pilots and the rest of us have made to keep this company in business. At the end of the day, we may no longer have our pay, benefits, work rules and pensions, but as the dusk prevails and we come to find that we no longer have our seniority which is the only currency that lends itself to a relatively bearable existence in this industry in these times, then it's only natural to fight as long and as hard as we can to maintain what is left of that currency. But to fight to the death? When I think of the consequences to all involved it's not worth it.

If, and once the pilot issue is resolved then I hope we focus on delivering a good product. It would be great if management focused on raising morale and rededicated itself to the internal customer. It's no secret: The happier we are the happier our external customer is. The external customer is really pulling for us because they know that when we feel that Tempe is behind us then it'll make their journey that much better. There obviously has been some positives in terms of improving our customer service metrics. But we need to do more. We have to focus more on on what makes us more attractive to the customer as opposed to what makes us more attractive to a potential merger partner. If we can accomplish that in action and in perception, then I believe the rest will take care of itself.

Let's face it folks: If we don't already know it then we need to realize that the rest of the industry wants us to fail. It was no secret that Delta at one time based their convalescence on our demise. It has been mentioned more than once that the best thing for the industry is if we shriveled up and died. Our competitors don't want us as people, but they want our assets as a company. We all have airline friends in other companies who love and care for us. And if we go under--and lose our seniority--they'll do what they can for us to get on with their companies to maintain our careers if we so desire. But we also know they won't be losing sleep if we tank. It's the nature of the beast. Long before United and Continental got together UA coveted our assets. We still have a valuable product. And great people executing this product from east to west. It's US vs. them now. And I don't mean east vs. west. We all need to hunker down and develop a bunker mentality to do what we have to do to not just survive, but more importantly to thrive. That to me is our mission as employees of this company.

We are a small airline now. We have to get stronger, bigger and better. We have to put our best foot forward from top to bottom. If we do so and things don't work out, then we all can hold our heads up and say we fought a helluva fight. Pulling together as a company will go a long ways toward ensuring our long term survival. Pulling against each other will hasten our demise. I hope before Tempe attempts to consolidate again elsewhere, that it leads an effort to fully consolidate right here.
Good post.

AWA brought a lot of optimism to this merger. As a growing, profitable airline (at the time), we had employees who were much happier out west and ready to embrace this new chapter. You are right that seniority is worthless if the airline dies. The entire airline is being held hostage by the seniority dispute. Fortunately, it's already been resolved by a neutral third party arbitrator, but one group in particular has a hard time accepting it. Although they agreed to the process. This can be a better place.
 
Why is there this under-current of animosity towards STAR? The member airlines are far more financially sound as a whole than those in OneWorld.
 
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