When Do The Fares In Clt Start Reflecting Those

[TXL]

Since the merger is to be completed in September or October 2005, cannot remember which month, when do the fares from CLT start to reflect those of a "Low Fare Carrier" as being mentioned over and over again as the "new" US Airways. Currently, the fares from CLT to ILM, for instance, are more than the lowest fares from CLT to LGW. Just curious. Not looking for a $49 ticket, just resonable fares.

 

[700UW]

The merger will take place, but be far from completed, it will be two years minimum for the merger to be complete.

 

[EricLv2Fish]

The merger will take place, but be far from completed, it will be two years minimum for the merger to be complete.

[post="305407"][/post]​

The question wasn't "when will the merger be complete", but rather when will the fares take shape. I'm sorry I don't know the answer to that question, but I'm sure someone will.

 

[tadjr]

Since we are still technically two separate airlines until Tues, I wouldnt look for anything that could be considered anti-trust to be changed until at least then. Hopefully HP has the new fare structure ready to load into the system at 1201am on Tues am. Cant be specific though, only wishful thinking.

 

[BoeingBoy]

HP has already started making changes - they've added 2 FC and 4 coach fare buckets to their list.....

Jim

[Edit - I found the info and I was wrong.....only one new FC fare bucket:]

SHARES UPDATE - FARE CLASS EXPANSION
This past weekend five new booking classes were added to SHARES. First class will have one more class: "A." Coach will be adding four classes: S, N, T, and R. The new order will be: F, A, E, Y, H, S, N, T, R, W, B, Q, L, K, V, M, G.

On Saturday, Sept. 24, you will see these inventory classes in SHARES for departures starting Wednesday, Sept. 28. However, these new classes will not be sellable until Wednesday, Oct. 5.

Why are we adding booking classes?

1. With the addition of higher fare markets like Hawaii, Yield Management and Pricing need more classes in order to better manage these important markets.

2. For the upcoming code share after we merge with US Airways. Since the new code share flights have more fare classes than we do, adding classes to our flights means we can better synchronize our booking classes across both networks.

 

[MarkMyWords]

Hopefully there will be a HUGE media blitz when/if the new fares are rolled out. I think many of the US departments like pricing and revenue accting are the first to combine.

 

[coolflyingfool]

If i am correct in your posting, there are now 14 different fare buckets in coach. That is outrageoues. I feel sorry for the res agents. I prefer the KISS model. I like it simple because I am stupid, sometimes. Just my thoughts.........

 

[US1YFARE]

First class will have one more class: "A."

Why are we adding booking classes?

WOO HOO. I am so glad they are keeping the A fare--I think that is what you are saying...I buy those fares--they are A for the price of coach--a coach fare that my client will reimburse me for, but I get in coach without having to sweat out the upgrade. My clients will not reimburse me for F fares, but anything else will fly. It's great for LAS, SFO, LAX, and SAN--especially LAS. Anyway, I think the A fare is one of the smartest things they did.

 

[Bear96]

Since the merger is to be completed in September or October 2005, cannot remember which month, when do the fares from CLT start to reflect those of a "Low Fare Carrier" as being mentioned over and over again as the "new" US Airways. Currently, the fares from CLT to ILM, for instance, are more than the lowest fares from CLT to LGW. Just curious. Not looking for a $49 ticket, just resonable fares.

[post="305401"][/post]​

Are you perhaps confusing a low FARE carrier with a low COST carrier?

Fares ARE LOW. They have been for some time, historically speaking, and on a systemwide basis (so anyone who wants to post some odd, outrageously-priced fare they found somewhere, save it).

The market dictates the fares. Unfortunately, most airlines have not been able to bring costs in line to the low fares the market has been dictating over the past few years.

So the new U is resturcturing not to be able to provide EVEN LOWER fares for the sake of being "nice" to the consumer and feel all warm and fuzzy so the Clampetts can go to MCO or LAS for even $2 less than they were able to before. Rather, U, and others, are resturcturing to bring their costs down so they can survive given that fares are ALREADY so low.

 

[crusher]

LCC means low COST carrier , not low FARE carrier. Fares are still way too low as it is. You pay more on Greyhound and Amtrak than you do to fly.

 

[USFlyer]

WOO HOO. I am so glad they are keeping the A fare--I think that is what you are saying...I buy those fares--they are A for the price of coach--a coach fare that my client will reimburse me for, but I get in coach without having to sweat out the upgrade. My clients will not reimburse me for F fares, but anything else will fly. It's great for LAS, SFO, LAX, and SAN--especially LAS. Anyway, I think the A fare is one of the smartest things they did.

[post="305529"][/post]​

I agree, especially when you use those A fares in markets where UA offers nonstop service. I got First on a 747 IAD-LAX for about $400 on way.

 

[TXL]

LCC means low COST carrier , not low FARE carrier. Fares are still way too low as it is. You pay more on Greyhound and Amtrak than you do to fly.

[post="305545"][/post]​

$500 for a 40 minute flight is not a "low fare". If you go to www.usairwasyinfo.com, or any other article talking about the "new" US Airways, it states both "low cost" and "low fare" for the new US Airways. The new US is going to have to adjust their fares from CLT, drop the "largest low airfare carrier", or falsely advertise.

 

[bwipilot]

The fares will be lowered when true LCC competition enters the market. That's the way US Airways always does it. 😛

Yes, I am scared that U will get it right and have low costs and low fares. But until it happens I laugh at the marketing that such is already here.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Stock symbol and advertising cliches aside, the "new" US has a way to go before it's a low cost carrier. With roughly 60% of the combined system having a 12 cent CASM (the "old" US side), there's a lot of work to do before we have "lower CASM than Southwest".....

Jim

 

[EricLv2Fish]

With roughly 60% of the combined system having a 12 cent CASM (the "old" US side), there's a lot of work to do before we have "lower CASM than Southwest".....

[post="305825"][/post]​

Jim, first of all thank you for always posting useful information. Second, when you mention a 12 cent CASM is that as of today and all of the cutbacks the OLD US Airways has endured? Can you speculate how much the 600 million dollars saved in the combined company synergies will reduce this cost, and what other might the new US Airways bring CASM down? AWA's CASM is around 8 cents and is right inline with Southwest.