who deserves blame for PHL

[Mtnman928]

"ATC is a HUGE issue, so big in fact that DP is working with the FAA directly along with the rest of US Management. So if they fix that the airspace issues will it be OK for Crellin to take credit?

Is it Crellin's fault that I-95 and the Delaware River have essentially "Land Locked" the airport? Judging from your comment Sharky you seem to think that Bush and therefore the Republicans are to blame for most everything. Maybe you can get some of your "Tree Hugging" Democrat friends to go along with filling in the wetlands near the airport so they can build new runway(s)? Just a thought since you seem to have all the answers."



You can add local politics to the mix or maybe Al sits on the board.

http://www.delcotimes.com/site/news.cfm?ne..._id=18171&rfi=6


Mtnman

 

[wtfphlflyluv]

Doesn't matter, it is his job. Couldn't do it then, can't do it now.
Dump his arse. Worthless imo.

holy crap.

Listen, do you guys think ATC issues actually trump the runway problem? really? tell me more about these ATC issues. I always figured that if we had decent runways we'd be congested but not too much worse than any other EC city, right? Enlighten me.

Thanks.

 

[REACC1]

I dont have the particulars, but it is beyond my comprehension as to why he is still here. He may have important experience as to the workings of U of old. However, he never in my estimation has made any improvements to the day to day operations of the carrier. ATC aside (I know phl has limited capabilities), he hasn't addressed anything workable or that would enhance what the airline has to work with. The Phl baggage debacle was surley in his hands and all he did was get someone else to make inaccurate excuses for the airline. (Within the relhm of PHL it is surely apart of this thread)As far as atc, he could have branched out and taken responsibility for his position(one that has lots of responsibilities including the day to day operations of the airline and that includes its hubs)and made meaningful dialog with the local or even nation governments if need be. He gets paid well for his job, gets bonuses to stay and yet he hasnt contributed in a effective way.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Listen, do you guys think ATC issues actually trump the runway problem?

The two are tied together to a large degree - the runway layout limits the number of operations that can be conducted per hour at PHL to 50 in good weather. That's ATC. For comparison, CLT can handle 75 and ORD 96.

Of course, being in the area of the country that has some of the most congested airspace doesn't help either. That's also something ATC has to deal with.

Jim

 

[Seatacus]

it is beyond my comprehension as to why he is still here.

Maybe he knows in which closets the skeletons are hidden.

 

[PA18]

Of course, the minor facts that the much smaller number of RJ's flying for us or the lower passenger/baggage weights in effect when 8/26 was approved had absolutely no effect on the it's envisioned utility - right?

Jim,

Projects like that at airports -- which are supposed to be funded by the Aviation Trust Fund into which customers have been paying for years, but somehow those funds get diverted to build lucrative high-rise parking garages -- are so glacier-like in their progress that it's no wonder they are obsolete when finally completed.

IIRC, the plans and funding for 8/26 were finalized before a single RJ had risen from a runway. It was envisioned to accomodate the Dash-7's, Dash-8's, and Beech 99's of the day.

Look at the new NW/SE runway in BOS (off the approach end of the 4's). That project goes all the way back to when Michael Dukakis was governor (late 70's). And it still isn't finished. And by the time it is, it will undoubtedly be too short to handle the inevitable 250-seat RJ's flown by unpaid interns from Embry-Riddle that Jerry Glass and Jonathan Ornstein dream about every night.

ATC is a HUGE issue, so big in fact that DP is working with the FAA directly along with the rest of US Management.

Piney,

Does that mean DP is shopping for a bigger wide-screen TV for the controllers' break room than the one Southwest gave them? 😉

 

[BoeingBoy]

PA18,

Agreed on the pace of infrastructure changes. I neglected to mention the greater number of Dash8's we were flying when the planning, approval, funding process for 8/26 was going on.

Jim

 

[gonzo]

Interesting Article

US Airways success depends on Philadelphia?

 

[sharktooth]

Of course, the minor facts that the much smaller number of RJ's flying for us or the lower passenger/baggage weights in effect when 8/26 was approved had absolutely no effect on the it's envisioned utility - right?

Actually, you are wrong, sir. As you might recollect, had you been paying attention, the chairperson of the ALPA nego. comm. mentioned in 1998 (I think) that the company was anticipating some 400 RJs.

and, BTW. Even the 35 seat RJs, the ones widely used then, had a problem with 8-26, not that you would have cared back then, or, apparently, now.

Ya know, seems like I'm always waiting for someone to move ground equipment in PHL before I can push back or taxi into the alley - not. The distance between concourses only allowing one way ops is the problem, not ground equipment. Even A-West has the same problem on the south side during the international push. The wide-bodies have to push onto taxiway J because there's not room to turn them around - meaning one pushback at a time.

I realize it is beyond your abilities to actually read everything someone else posts, but, the excessive "can-do" attitude on the part of operations was cited at least once. The problems can be solved, but not by those operating at 10% cranial capacity.

Yeah, I noticed you didn't mention ATC or runway layout either. I guess since you can't blame them on Crellin or Bush they're non-factors.

Jim

Well, gosh, Jim, if you truly were a pilot, you would know that, after a few of us went to the FAA, that there are attempts to change things, ATC-wise. and about runway layout, did you not just pontificate about comments I made on 8-26? Or was that just some giant server typo?

Had you not just opened your 34th beer, I would suggest you consider expanding on the cities ill-considered use of resources and the possibility of a third paralell runway to the 9-27 complex, but, since you did, I won't.

Have a good night, sir.

 

[TheLarkAscending]

Had you not just opened your 34th beer...

How kind it was of Jim pop the tops off of your beverages for you, and he never complained, not even after 34?! Rather odd that you should be chastizing him for assisting you with your unquenchable thirst. 😉 Some people get nasty when they've had a few too many. 😛

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Shark, you are so far out of line on this post I had to delete the first three replies I typed. When they define "class," Jim's name will surely follow. Jim's body of work here, and on other professional forums is without a doubt one of the most expert, non self serving, and kind (that is the best word I could find..it fits) bodies of work I have ever seen. Maybe you could backtrack a little and actually join the discussion here. Believe you me, there are plenty of people here that deserve such treatment, probably myself included at times, but Jim is not one of them. Greeter.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Actually, you are wrong, sir. As you might recollect, had you been paying attention, the chairperson of the ALPA nego. comm. mentioned in 1998 (I think) that the company was anticipating some 400 RJs.

1998, huh. No mention of the fact that the construction of 8/26 was recommended by an Airport Capacity Design Team initiated by the FAA, PHL airport authorities, and industry groups in a report issued in Sept 1991. Let's see - what was happening on the RJ front that year? That's right, we were flying a number of "RJ's" - F28's, F100's. But hadn't we reduced the number of "RJ's" in the fleet? Oh, that's the year we parked the Bae-146's? Maybe you forgot that.

Then there's the years between the recommendation to build runway 8/26 and actual construction beginning - when all those pesky details have to be taken care of. Of course, a good VP Ops (like I'm sure you would be) could sweep all those environmental impact statements, noise studies, etc, aside with all the clout you would wield. How was the turboprop fleet doing?

Well, at the end of 1993 there were 130 turboprops operated by our 3 wholly owned Express carriers - just the planes that 8/26 was designed for. We operated a grand total of 61 "RJ's" - 40 F100's and 21 F28's - out of a fleet of 441 jet aircraft. And how many real RJ's - you know, the one's you surely saw coming in such large numbers? Zip, Nada, Zilch. So tell us all again about how runway 8/28 was a bad idea at the time.

Construction of runway 8/26 had been approved and funds assigned by 1997. Surely it was evident by then that building that runway was a huge mistake by the first of that year. So how was the RJ picture by then? We still operated 48 "RJ's" - some of those F100's and F28's were still in our colors. Our 3 wholly owned Express carriers still operated 110 turboprops. And how many real RJ's - the ones in massive numbers that made runway 8/26 a waste to build? I'll let you tell us but here's a hint - we didn't sign an agreement with Mesa till January 1998.

As for the rest, it's not worth commenting on.

Maybe with your "all knowing" intellect, you'll become the VP Ops so you can exercise all that authority to dictate to the airport, the FAA, Congress, the city of Philadelphia, etc. We'll see how quickly you can push the main runways further apart, create wider ramps between the concourses, realign all the NY/DC airspace, etc. You do know that these recommendations were all in that September 1991 report, don't you? The one that concluded that construction of 8/26 provided the most "bang for the buck" the quickest (and 8 years from recommendation to completion is pretty quick by FAA standards)?

Jim

 

[Whatnow?]

Read in the Philly paper a week or two ago that it's going to cost about 2 BILLION dollars to do construction on the PHL Airport....for 2 Billion dollars why not push what's left of that dump into the Delaware River and find another site more suitable for growth!

 

[john john]

Because honestly their isn't a piece of open space that big that is suitable. Unless you want to relocate the airport some 20 to 30 miles into the NJ Pine Barrens and if you do that then you have to build access and 2 billion won't even come close to getting it done.

PHL sucks for a variety of reasons, and I think that was the original point of the thread. Then we (mostly me 🙁 ) got sidetracked by a windbag who had nothing better to do then to make himself feel important by insulting others. My apologies for letting ruffle my feathers.

PS: Look for this "Gentleman" in PHL, I hear he invented a "Concourse Stretcher" that will instantly allow for 2 way movement in the narrow corridors of B & C.

Should have jumped on the UPS site.

 

[700UW]

Or the old Westinghouse Factory.