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Who Will Be Next, Ted?

United committed to continuing Ted, its discount airline

By Mark Skertic
Tribune staff reporter

October 29, 2005

United Airlines on Friday said it remained committed to expanding its discount airline, Ted, even as competitor Delta Air Lines announced it was abandoning its own low-cost carrier, Song.

Delta said it would take features available now only on Song, such as personal in-flight entertainment systems and leather interiors, and expand them to the rest of its fleet. Delta will stop flying Song as a separate brand after May, the Atlanta-based airline said Friday.

"As Delta continues its transformation to become a more customer-focused airline, we are incorporating the best of Song into the best of Delta," Chief Executive Gerald Grinstein said in a statement.

Meanwhile, United is expanding Ted by nine aircraft this year, bringing the total to 56 United planes bearing the orange Ted logo. The quirky name comes from the last letters of United's name. Next week, United's flights to Miami from Chicago's O'Hare International Airport, Denver and Washington Dulles all will fly under the Ted banner.

New service to Mexico and the Caribbean, if approved, also will be Ted flights, a spokesman for the airline said.

"Ted is doing exactly what we wanted it to do. It turned around the financial performance in the leisure markets for us, and we're grabbing market share," said Sean Donohue, vice president of Ted. "We're trying to find what I like to call the sweet spot--where people realize Ted has a level of distinction, but it's also part of United."

United offers flights under the Ted banner at O'Hare and Midway airports and has grown to account for 15 percent of all United departures. Delta, which has limited service to Chicago, never offered Song in the market.

Song launched in 2003, and Ted followed in early 2004. Both were efforts by mainline carriers to recapture some of the business taken by Southwest Airlines and other low-cost carriers.

They have unusual names, promise low fares and have no first-class seating. Both also use advertising that attempts to convey a hip appeal. Ted offers special movie/TV viewing and music channels, while Song has personal systems that offer movies, live television and video games.

Ted has been one of the highest-profile moves for United while the Elk Grove Township-based airline has been in bankruptcy. Delta, which filed for bankruptcy protection last month, said the decision to pull the plug on the Song brand is part of the carrier's restructuring.

Neither airline breaks out financial information about its discount carrier, so determining how much they make or lose is difficult. Instead, the performance of each is wrapped into its parent's overall results.

While Ted promises low fares, it does not have the same cost structure as most low-cost carriers. The crews are paid what others in the United system make, although compensation throughout the airline has come down through contract changes during the bankruptcy restructuring.

Donohue credited a focused approach and the work of employees with making Ted a success.

Delta's decision to ground the Song name does not mean the airline will pull flights out of those markets. The airline still will fly to the same places, and the planes will add back first-class cabins.

Airline analyst Mike Boyd has been among the critics of United's Ted, which he derides as little more than a special paint job on some airplanes.

"It confuses the customer with two identities," he said. "It is United. It's part of United except it's a different identity. Except for United's first-class customers, because when he gets to Denver and wants to connect to Phoenix, he gets ticked off because there's no first-class [service] on Ted."

Copyright © 2005, Chicago Tribune
 
Big difference between Delta and United. Delta dumped LOTS of $$ into Song (ie-new uniforms, TV's, new seats, etc). Basically United just painted planes that were due for repainting. IF United decides to dump Ted, it won't cost much to bring the planes back to mainline.
 
As little as I think of UAL, at least United had the good sense to put TED on the leisure routes with little F demand; contrast that to the truly stupid decision by DAL to place SONG on JFK-LAX transcons! When DAL ceded the transcon market to UAL and AA, I knew a bankruptcy filing couldn't be too far behind. 😀
 
As little as I think of UAL, at least United had the good sense to put TED on the leisure routes with little F demand; contrast that to the truly stupid decision by DAL to place SONG on JFK-LAX transcons! When DAL ceded the transcon market to UAL and AA, I knew a bankruptcy filing couldn't be too far behind. 😀

I've never set foot on a Theodore aircraft. My recollection, however, is that many business travellers were blindsided when they found their "business class" ticket transferred onto a TED-bird that didn't have "business class." Was there ever any clearly distinguishable indication as to which airplane you were actually buying a ticket?
 
Mike Boyd sees Song and Ted differently.


Song Changes Tune
But It's Still Singing



And the winner is: Sherwin Williams.

Other than oil companies, it's paint suppliers that are cleaning up in the airline industry.



There's TED, where United seems to believe that changing a color scheme will bring mystical results to what is essentially the same system as before. Now, Delta's decision to end the separate Song brand means another uptick in demand for airplane coatings.



And that's about all it means.



It's amazing to read comments from some "financial advisors" regarding this decision by Delta. These guys come out with grand statements describing the "failure" of Song, and how it's being "shut down."



All of this is without any review or analysis of what's actually being done. And these are the people who want you to entrust your money with them.



Essentially, all Delta's doing is re-branding Song as mainline Delta. In most cases, the aircraft will be flying the same routes, with fares unchanged. When they dreamed up this scheme, Delta had the option back then of leaving it within the Delta identity, or trying to create a separate brand. They chose the latter. Now, they're just re-painting the aircraft back to DL colors, making the configurations compatible with the rest of the airline, and continuing doing what they've been doing.



The concept, whether it's called Song or Delta, remains in place, and remains a valid marketing approach. Unlike TED, which carries the same passengers within the same hub system as planes with a regular United paint job, Delta's objective was to isolate low-yield traffic flows, particularly to Florida, and carry them outside of their core hub system on a nonstop basis. They made the additional decision to gussy up the product to win consumer loyalty. Based on reported load factors, and anecdotal reports, it seemed to work.



The downside was that as a separate sub-brand, it brought with it some operational issues. Apparently, Delta has decided it can keep the passengers and cut overall costs by doing away with the separate Song brand identity. And that's pretty much the sum total of what they're doing. It's not a retreat from jetBlue. It's not a "shut down" of an airline.

It's another paint job, mostly.
 
Saw an article where Tilton slapped down Boyd by name, saying he didn't know what he was talking about.

Here's an article from the Financial times. I'm posting the whol article as I believe a subscription,not just registration, is required at ft.com


United plans more flights for low-cost unit
By Doug Cameron in Chicago
Published: October 31 2005 19:57 | Last updated: October 31 2005 19:57

United Airlines on Monday said its Ted low-fare unit was profitable so far this year, and pledged further expansion to turn round loss-making routes as the US carrier moves towards its planned exit from bankruptcy protection next February.



The Chicago-based carrier also expressed confidence that it would withstand the re-entry of Southwest Airlines to the Denver market in January, in spite of concern among analysts that it could harm what is viewed as United’s most profitable hub.

The Ted unit was launched two years ago to target leisure markets, in spite of the failure of previous attempts to create an “airline within an airlineâ€, including the Shuttle by United concept created to withstand Southwest’s challenge in California a decade ago.

Delta, the third biggest US airline after American and United, said last week that it would close its Song unit next May, although wrap the low-cost carrier’s fleet and many of its onboard services into the group’s mainline domestic operations.

Sean Donohue, vice-president for Ted and United Express, said Ted had been “a significant success†in recovering passengers lost to low-fare rivals and to improving profitability. “We’ve seen a substantial amount of market share return to United,†said Mr Donohue, who also heads the United Express commuter operations.

For example, United said its market share at Denver, its second biggest hub after Chicago, has improved from 34 per cent to 57 per cent since Ted replaced mainline United flights. The gains were mainly at the expanse of Frontier, a low-cost rival which is the second largest operator at Denver and whose share price tumbled when Southwest announced its plans.

The Colorado market is set to open up a new battleground between the legacy and low-cost operators when Southwest launches 13 new daily services in January. Mr Donohue said it would provide an opportunity to “validate†the progress United has made in cutting its costs. However, he noted that the most profitable route he oversaw already faced competition from Southwest.

Ted’s fleet will rise from 47 to 56 aircraft by the end of the year, accounting for 17 per cent of United’s domestic capacity, and is expected to be used on planned new routes to Mexico and the Caribbean.

Mr Donohue’s comments came as United’s parent announced a record net loss of $1.8bn for the quarter to end September, although the airline said it would have made a net profit of $68m excluding restructuring charges.

Separately, Delta said it might extend its new domestic long-haul service to closer destinations, including its expanding hub in Salt Lake City. The airline said last week it would transfer the existing Song fleet and up to 50 more aircraft to transcontinental service with two classes and upgraded services aimed at business travelers.

FT Article


Oh, found it. Here's Tilton's Boyd slapdown, as reported by the Rocky Mountain News

CEO: United will succeed
By Glenn Tilton, Chief Executive, United Airlines
October 29, 2005 ; Rocky Mountain News
[snip]
United is not only competing for the business traveler; all our passengers and their travel demands are important to us and to the sustainability of our network. We provide a different experience that meets their expectation and price point.

• When we introduced Ted, our low-fare leisure travel product, in Denver, Michael Boyd a local Denver pundit, voiced his opinion. On various occasions, he called Ted "a paint job and a press release." He said Ted would confuse customers and that the cost structure was not low enough. He said, "I think it's nuts."
Across the eight Ted destinations, we had a 34 percent share of the Denver market before we launched Ted, and Frontier had 33 percent. In August, Ted had a 57 percent share and Frontier was at 19 percent. We fly more Ted service from Denver than any of our other hubs. And United has introduced flights to Mexico City, Cancún, Puerta Vallarta, Los Cabos and other destinations in the Caribbean and Central America.


Ted is, in fact, a success story for our customers and our employees and is profitable for United. So much so that we are expanding Ted to 56 aircraft this year, a 20 percent increase.

[snip]
The above remarks were made by Tilton in Dallas last Saturday to 150 business and political leaders from Denver on the annual Leadership Exchange, sponsored by the Denver Metro Chamber of Commerce Foundation
 
yep, Mike Boyd and UA have never been bosom buddies. Problem is that Mike Boyd has a pretty good track record.
 
yep, Mike Boyd, and UA have never been bosom buddies. Problem is that Mike Boyd has a pretty good track record.
Mike Boyd states the obvious and publishes it. Big whoop. He also stated that US Airways was doomed during the Christmas meltdown.

He's just a consultant flapping his own lips trying to make money.
 
in an industry where no one seems to be able to see much beyond the next season, Mike Boyd has done a better job of predicting the future of the airline industry than most "experts". UA and US have both shown the industry how to restructure in BK - but it's come at a massive cost to employees - and now everyone else is doing the same thing. Sure, there are savings that come from other stakeholders in BK but employees in a labor intensive business will always bear a very large burden - and airline employees have. Yes, the airlines have been saved but I don't think too many who started 10 years or more ago would choose to do it again now. Just a guess...
 
"Delta Air Lines said today that it will discontinue Song, which it introduced two years ago in an effort to battle low-fare competition to key leisure markets in Florida and California. The airline, which featured lime-green planes, apple martinis and flight attendant uniforms designed by Kate Spade, will be folded into Delta's domestic operations starting in May, Delta said in a statement from its Atlanta headquarters."


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How do the DL folks feel about this???
 
Oooops... sorry. Guess I try to be smarter, more like you. :down: loser
 
Oooops... sorry. Guess I try to be smarter, more like you. :down: loser

Classy! 🙄

When you post a news article that's dated October 28 and it's already November 8, it sure doesn't require a degree in rocket science to figure that someone might have already started a thread about it. 😛
 
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