Who's is it now?

[Kev3188]

IAM statement on ACC work.

Thoughts?

 

[Spock]

IAM statement on ACC work.

Thoughts?

Sounds like a youger version of Bobby DePace. The right thing to do would have been to honor another unions picket line. Don't do stuck work. The IAM's been neutered. Beat on your chest Steve, it's just going to get red and will be sore in the morning. :down:

 

[Bob Owens]

Just goes to show how despicable the IAM is.

Here they admit that they scabbed the work, agreeing to accomplish it while AMFA was on strike. They admit that the work was done by AMFA represented workers and they agreed to do the work on a temporary basis while AMFA was on strike-in other words they agreed to do struck work or scab. As a union they should have refused to do struck work. Now they are trying to claim that its theirs.

Then they claim that the work was stolen from them.That work went with AMFA because that work was deemed to be part of the Class and Craft that decertified the IAM by the NMB and those workers no longer wanted the IAM to represent them. How does it become "Stolen work"? The IAM lost the priviledge to represent the workers that did that work. Does the IAM feel that the members are the property of the union or the union is the property of the members? Obviously the IAM feels that they own you instead of the other way around.

You can not "steal" union members, you can lose the priviledge of representing them. And thats what the IAM did.

Business Unionism-the destruction of the labor movement.

A few years back I was vacationing in the west of Ireland when I read in a local paper about a strike that was being conducted by railroad engineers in the west of Ireland. The engineers had decided that SEPTU, their union,was not doing right by them, so they split off and formed their own union. Shortly after they went on strike, SEPU honored their strike and refused to opertae trains in the areas where the new union operated. So, in Ireland where true unionism still exists, unions that are at odds put aside their differences when it comes to dealing with the company. One critical difference between unionists in Europe and unionists in America is that union leaders in Europe tend to be true believers in unionism, many are unrepentant Socialists, whereas over here most union leaders are simply those who lack the education to go into management and use the union as an escape from real work. Other than memorizing a few slogans they have no ideology,ethics or moral compass, only doing what is best for them.

(In all fairness there are Cultural differences as well. Remember that Ireland is the birthplace of the Boycott so there is a cultural element where people stick together.)

 

[Kev3188]

Sounds like a youger version of Bobby DePace. The right thing to do would have been to honor another unions picket line. Don't do stuck work.

I agree. Morals aside, it's not like those of us on the ramp "won" much; NW didn't exactly hire tons more ESE's to do the work (they didn't hire any as far as I know), and it certainly didn't help make anyone's job more secure.

Any GC in DL 143 will feed you the line that AMFA "didn't want the work," which is why DePace took it. This is the same type of spin that the company is using to turn "we don't have enough help to get the job done" into "we don't want the work."

IMO, it should have stayed the way it was for years prior to 20.Aug.05; Cleaners (AMFA or IAM before that) performed the work in certain cities, with the ESE and CSA work groups doing it in the rest of the smaller stations.

As for outsourcing or not; that should have been/should be up to AMFA to fight for.

 

[Bob Owens]

IMO, it should have stayed the way it was for years prior to 20.Aug.05; Cleaners (AMFA or IAM before that) performed the work in certain cities, with the ESE and CSA work groups doing it in the rest of the smaller stations.

As for outsourcing or not; that should have been/should be up to AMFA to fight for.

How many years was it that way?

I ask because over at AA a lot of job functions that were considered mechanics work was "stolen" from them and given to Fleet Service. This was done so the company could eliminate mechanics in the outstations. The union didnt care who did it as long as the work was TWU. So hundreds of mechanics lost their jobs in small out stations because their work was taken away. They either had to transfer, demote or take the layoff.

The fact is that the NMB declared that work to be mechanics work. AMFA argued against it years ago. Many AMFA elections have failed because of this. In fact this ruling delayed AMFA from displacing the IAM at both NWA and UAL. The IAM fought to have this work declared Maint and Related then they claim thats its IAM work instead or M&R. They want it both ways.

 

[Kev3188]

How many years was it that way?

At least since 1997, though when I started the more "seasoned" guys told me they'd be doing it forever. It may have been different prior to the RC/NW merger depending on station-I honestly don't know.

Once AMFA took over the ACC group at NW they put language in their CBA that stated any station with more than 5 RON's would be staffed with ACC personnel. This why some stations (LGA, ORD, and MKE to a few) either got cleaners "back," or had them stationed there for the first time. All the other stations in the NW system continued the practice of having ESE's or CSA's do it. In addition, some cities had AMT's, but not cleaners....

As a further wrinkle in this debate, at several of the line stations where there were cleaners at the time of the strike RON cleaning/lav and water service has already been outsourced (ie DCA and MKE) while there are still IAM employees on the property. If this was such a big deal to the IAM, why aren't they fighting for the work in those cities as well?

The fact is that the NMB declared that work to be mechanics work. AMFA argued against it years ago. Many AMFA elections have failed because of this. In fact this ruling delayed AMFA from displacing the IAM at both NWA and UAL. The IAM fought to have this work declared Maint and Related then they claim thats its IAM work instead or M&R. They want it both ways.

 

[AMFAMAN]

Any GC in DL 143 will feed you the line that AMFA "didn't want the work," which is why DePace took it.

Wow, the same line the twu uses in their justification of taking the same work from AA mechanics and giving it to fleet service, of course 23 years ago.

 

[Don Smith]

Wait till I get done laughing and I'll comment
Ok. A Bobby DePace clone indeed. Even the whining tone in between the lines.
Kev is right. I've said it before...more work for less pay and the IAM wants members to think that they are doing them a favor and "wroking hard" to get the best agreements available. You know...to keep fighting another day. Then saying that "it's our work". An absolute joke.

 

[slothman2000]

Wait till I get done laughing and I'll comment
Ok. A Bobby DePace clone indeed. Even the whining tone in between the lines.
Kev is right. I've said it before...more work for less pay and the IAM wants members to think that they are doing them a favor and "wroking hard" to get the best agreements available. You know...to keep fighting another day. Then saying that "it's our work". An absolute joke.

Quite frankly, it is utterly hilarious to see the groveling for the crumbs by the lap-dog, so called union. I agree with Mr Spock when he says that this all could have been rectified by honoring one's picket at the correct time, but alas that time has come and gone and nwa has all you people still on the property by the short-hairs. Read the news people
click here
If you believe that nwa will take you along for the next ride that its going on, you should seriously consider taking off the 'rose colored glasses' that the iam gave you.

As I ride down the road and glance at this thru the rear view mirror, I can only think of the lyrics to the Nine Inch Nails tune..."Bow down before the one you serve"

 

[Don Smith]

Thanks for the article. I guess we should all go out and buy up nwa stock.. :blink: . Sorry but I'll keep my cash close to the vest. Once nwa starts making money again (if ever) the rewards will be for the top dogs. The rank and file of ANY union employee on the property will never be what it was. The die is set for the low wage, no benefit airline job. I think even the primadonnas in the cockpit are starting to feel a crunch. Even if the stock doesn't raise, if the company needs more money then they already have a proven method...bilk the employees.

Quite frankly, it is utterly hilarious to see the groveling for the crumbs by the lap-dog, so called union. I agree with Mr Spock when he says that this all could have been rectified by honoring one's picket at the correct time, but alas that time has come and gone and nwa has all you people still on the property by the short-hairs. Read the news people
click here
If you believe that nwa will take you along for the next ride that its going on, you should seriously consider taking off the 'rose colored glasses' that the iam gave you.

As I ride down the road and glance at this thru the rear view mirror, I can only think of the lyrics to the Nine Inch Nails tune..."Bow down before the one you serve"