Dea is right; the world isn’t ever going to be all right. Like giving millions of dollars to buffaloes as they prod down the isle, or riding with ‘Mis Daisy’ as she hands out cokes and blankets at 36k. I didn’t make this world, don’t like a lot of things about it, but it is what it is. And when it looks like a skunk, smells like a skunk, acts like a skunk, and then you call it a skunk, well, you’re a racist or bigot or sexist. Politically correct bullsh*t is what we live in today, so enjoy the settlement and eat all the freak'n twinkies you can shove in your face because after all, life has been so hard on you and that bus you carry on your back side. 😱
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trollydolly
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mga707 wrote
"FA wasn't a lifetime carreer, and not for everybody. Female, fit, foxy, and goodbye if 30 or married. No fruits, hags, or heifers."
Are you saying that it is ok to have "fruits, hags and heifers" only in the cockpit? And please do not fool yourself if you think they were not there back then. In addition, have you seen the way the pilots look these days? Definitlely NOT "Catch Me If You Can" material.
"FA wasn't a lifetime carreer, and not for everybody. Female, fit, foxy, and goodbye if 30 or married. No fruits, hags, or heifers."
Are you saying that it is ok to have "fruits, hags and heifers" only in the cockpit? And please do not fool yourself if you think they were not there back then. In addition, have you seen the way the pilots look these days? Definitlely NOT "Catch Me If You Can" material.
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Some people can't help their weight issues. If it acts like like a skunk then I must call you one as well. In your old age (or sooner) may you be bald with a gut the size of a mountain, liver spotted skin and may all those around you point at you and say "Don't tread here."The Ronin said:
Ten years ago I was a slim, well-formed female weighing only 125 lbs at 5'2". I could lift more, run longer, and last longer than most of my male friends. Today I am 30 yrs. old with three young children. I am 30 lbs. heavier (due to having children) and am still trying to take the weight off. I can still lift more, run longer, and last longer than most of my male friends.
My point. My weight doesn't determine my worth. I am a strong, intelligent, and resourceful woman that deserves the right to be employed by any company. I see many males that couldn't fit through the side of a barn. Are they being fired?
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I have no idea whether any airlines still have weight standards, but I have to say that if they kept these regulations for public relations and image purposes, then the same standards need to apply to all those who come into contact with the public, agents and pilots included.
The appearance of most of the pilots and agents I have seen lately leave alot to be desired.
I think it was America West where I saw the pilot literally have to walk sideways in the cockpit door recently.
The appearance of most of the pilots and agents I have seen lately leave alot to be desired.
I think it was America West where I saw the pilot literally have to walk sideways in the cockpit door recently.
jimntx
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Excellent response, DC.Dea Certe said:
As one of my history professors used to say...
"Ah yes, the good old days. Formerly known as these trying times in which we live."
Again, another area where "the good 'ol days" were definitely better. When you were young and presumably a knockout you should've found yourself a good husband, like so many FAs did back then. Then you could've quit and not had to worry about pensions or health care.Dea Certe said:
Another brilliant "improvement" foisted upon American women by the feminazis...
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As usual, the topic is drifting way off mark. Understand me if you will, I am not putting down women, over weight individuals or anything else. What I am saying is society and ourselves are to blame for the perceptions we hold in our world today. Ever study ancient art? Fat was in, fat was great. It showed wealth and prosperity. Ever since the turn of the century, thin is in. We promote it when we sell everything, we want it when we go to the movies. WE put these expections on ourselves and everyone else. We are a business that handles the public. They hold an expection of what they think a pilot should look like, an F/A should look like. Example, I say to a passenger describe a mechanic....now describe a technician and you will probably get two different answers or perceptions. It is not just our profession but others as well. When an obese doctor tells you to lose weight what are you going to think? Just as if some shoddy looking pilot boards the plane, what are the passengers going to think about the plane they are on or the company that they are flying. I personally believe there should be minimum acceptable standards for all employees on dress and appearance. Our kids face an epidemic with weight issues, AND IT'S OUR FAULT for letting it get this way. Now I have some more pretty controversial comments and opinions, but we'll leave that for a later day.
JAMAKE1
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Ronin: You had me in absolute stitches...
I have to admit, I come from the old school when it comes to perceptions of what I think a flight attendant should look like. I do long for the days of hats, gloves, and go-go boots. As I have matured in the spirit, I am learnig to transcend my preconceived notions of what I think the world should be and of what people should look like. Having said that, I do have mixed feelings about professional appearance in the work place. I don't take issue with a person's age. I very much respect senior flight attendants and respect the postings that Dea Cearte has intelligently articulated over the years. When it comes to the weight issue however, I find that many of the overweight flight attendants are not well groomed. I see shirts hanging out of the guys' pants, and the overweight women wearing large tent dresses with flats that are scuffed. It doesn't make for a professional and business-like appearance. I am reminded of a frumpy hotel maid or diner waitress when I witness that. I think that each employee is a projection of the airline's image. Recently when I was in Frankfurt I saw a entire Delta crew. The ladies were all very senior, in their forties and fifties and they were all so well groomed. Skirts, blazers, scarves, and heels. They looked like professional seasoned businesswomen. Their appearance lent a level of credibility, competence, and respect. I believe in individual liberties, but the pendulum has swung a little too far the other way. Whatever happened to striving for excellence? I don't think that checks and balances (read weight check) are necessarily such a bad thing. It upholds us to a certain standard and we all know how easy it is to succumb to complacency and comfortability (read stagnation). I am now going to be the demontatration of what I have just said, get off this computer and muscle through 3 chapters of Financial Accounting (so help me God)...over n out.
I have to admit, I come from the old school when it comes to perceptions of what I think a flight attendant should look like. I do long for the days of hats, gloves, and go-go boots. As I have matured in the spirit, I am learnig to transcend my preconceived notions of what I think the world should be and of what people should look like. Having said that, I do have mixed feelings about professional appearance in the work place. I don't take issue with a person's age. I very much respect senior flight attendants and respect the postings that Dea Cearte has intelligently articulated over the years. When it comes to the weight issue however, I find that many of the overweight flight attendants are not well groomed. I see shirts hanging out of the guys' pants, and the overweight women wearing large tent dresses with flats that are scuffed. It doesn't make for a professional and business-like appearance. I am reminded of a frumpy hotel maid or diner waitress when I witness that. I think that each employee is a projection of the airline's image. Recently when I was in Frankfurt I saw a entire Delta crew. The ladies were all very senior, in their forties and fifties and they were all so well groomed. Skirts, blazers, scarves, and heels. They looked like professional seasoned businesswomen. Their appearance lent a level of credibility, competence, and respect. I believe in individual liberties, but the pendulum has swung a little too far the other way. Whatever happened to striving for excellence? I don't think that checks and balances (read weight check) are necessarily such a bad thing. It upholds us to a certain standard and we all know how easy it is to succumb to complacency and comfortability (read stagnation). I am now going to be the demontatration of what I have just said, get off this computer and muscle through 3 chapters of Financial Accounting (so help me God)...over n out.
I've seen fat f/as at just about every airline I've ever been on and experienced less than friendly service by beautiful f/as at the almighty Singapore Airlines.
At UAL you had to be more than 10 lbs under your maximum. So for me at 5'5" I had to weigh in at under 122. I remember starving myself to make sure I stayed on the "A" weight chart so I only had to weigh in once a year instead of the twice if you're on the "B" chart. I have no idea what happened to the people on the the"C" and "D" charts but I know there were "C" and "D" charts...
What really got to me was being weighed in by an obese supervisor. These people had/have to work a certain number of flights/hours to keep their qualifications as f/as. They should have had to follow the standards they were imposing on us.
I resented that every orchid letter and company commendation in my personnel file was essentially worthless and I was not a "good" f/a if I wasn't at a certain arbitrary weight set by UAL.
And finally it was just plain humiliating.
Laura
At UAL you had to be more than 10 lbs under your maximum. So for me at 5'5" I had to weigh in at under 122. I remember starving myself to make sure I stayed on the "A" weight chart so I only had to weigh in once a year instead of the twice if you're on the "B" chart. I have no idea what happened to the people on the the"C" and "D" charts but I know there were "C" and "D" charts...
What really got to me was being weighed in by an obese supervisor. These people had/have to work a certain number of flights/hours to keep their qualifications as f/as. They should have had to follow the standards they were imposing on us.
I resented that every orchid letter and company commendation in my personnel file was essentially worthless and I was not a "good" f/a if I wasn't at a certain arbitrary weight set by UAL.
And finally it was just plain humiliating.
Laura
And you wonder why UAL weight class action suit was won by the flight attendants(the class/plaintiffs)??? The only articulate responses on this thread were from flight attendants past and present. Time for the discriminatory sexists on this thread to tuck their collective tails between their legs, move on, and discuss something else. 😛
Actually JM all AA flight attendants must be able to be strapped in to a Jumpseat sitting forward and with no extensions or modifications. The must be able to walk down the aisle facing forward and exit through an open 737 window exit. It is also timed and I forget what the time limit is. Every AA flight attendant must pass on this test, regardless of how many, how few, or what a/c they are qualified on.jimntx said:
I've flown Singapore Airlines a lot, and I've never received anything but superb friendly service by the beautiful young flight attendants. I think in Singapore, being a flight attendant is a very high status job with very rigorous service standards, and an age limit. On the Singapore crash on takeoff in Taipei, the cabin evacuation was chaos, but given the level of damage to the aircraft, I don't find that surprising.
From the Chicago Sun-Times
Under the policy, United imposed weight limits on flight attendants of both genders but set stricter standards for women, who were required to weigh between 14 and 27 pounds less than male colleagues of the same height and age.
For example, the maximum weight for a 30-year old female flight attendant who was 5-feet, 7-inches tall, was 142 pounds, while a man of the same height and age could weigh up to 161 pounds.
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If this is also about a difference between genders then I don’t think the decision should have gone to the F/A’s. Every weight chart I have looked at had a separate scale for men and women. Women fought long and hard over the decade for equality. Then lets have it that way. Where do you draw the line on equality? Women are different. Much more pleasant to look at too. Weight shouldn’t be an issue. The F/A’s are on board mainly for safety. They should go through some kind of physical agility test to prove they can handle an emergency situation. I’m not saying like police and firemen go through. Just a mock up of an aircraft and simulated evacuations. If they pass no matter what the weight then they can work. If a F/A can’t do the job of getting an aircraft evacuated, performing CPR in the aisle or any other safety related act then he/she doesn’t have any business being on board. This should be about being able to perform your duties not your weight. Remember UA always preaches safety first.
Under the policy, United imposed weight limits on flight attendants of both genders but set stricter standards for women, who were required to weigh between 14 and 27 pounds less than male colleagues of the same height and age.
For example, the maximum weight for a 30-year old female flight attendant who was 5-feet, 7-inches tall, was 142 pounds, while a man of the same height and age could weigh up to 161 pounds.
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If this is also about a difference between genders then I don’t think the decision should have gone to the F/A’s. Every weight chart I have looked at had a separate scale for men and women. Women fought long and hard over the decade for equality. Then lets have it that way. Where do you draw the line on equality? Women are different. Much more pleasant to look at too. Weight shouldn’t be an issue. The F/A’s are on board mainly for safety. They should go through some kind of physical agility test to prove they can handle an emergency situation. I’m not saying like police and firemen go through. Just a mock up of an aircraft and simulated evacuations. If they pass no matter what the weight then they can work. If a F/A can’t do the job of getting an aircraft evacuated, performing CPR in the aisle or any other safety related act then he/she doesn’t have any business being on board. This should be about being able to perform your duties not your weight. Remember UA always preaches safety first.
