2014 Pilot Discussion

[fr8tmastr]

 
"Old tricks are the best tricks!" So it sadly seems, while another classic observation now applies as well: "Those who fail to learn the lessons of history..."
 
This BS's so old hat. Anyone with even the most basic education in business, psychology and negotiating could immediately see tried-and-true game moves here. Establish artificial stress through a contrived timeline and/or other devices. Sow uncertainty and disunity within the targeted group and undermine their governing agency and overall morale through direct propaganda to the group. See listings under crew news, etc. Perfect any deficiencies in one's "shell game" skills, so that those targeted are left mesmerized and willfully committed to play the game, while you take away whatever you want from them. See listings under: "Gosh! We really, really meant to have a detailed contract ready for your review, Honest, we did but, well, aw heck, just trust us!"

Why not, it works every single time with this spineless pilot group.  Hurry vote yes or we might face the dreaded cost neutral arbitration.  And the company is in a position of power as they are making all time record profits.
Act now while supplies last.

 

[luvthe9]

Trade of the Day: AAL Stock Set to Soar on Breakout
The break of an eight-month resistance line was accompanied by heavy accumulation
By Sam Collins, InvestorPlace Chief Technical Analyst | Dec 29, 2014, 1:00 am EST
American Airlines Group Inc (AAL) — The 2013 merger between American Airlines and U.S. Airways created the world’s largest airline. Along with wholly owned and third-party regional carriers US Airways Express and American Eagle, the airlines operate an average of approximately 6,700 daily flights to 339 destinations in 54 countries.

Credit Suisse’s Equity Research has an “outperform” rating on AAL stock. In early December, its analysts raised their estimates and price target based on jet fuel price assumptions. They increased their target by $3 to $58, which is 12% above current prices.

Consensus earnings estimates have steadily increased as oil prices have fallen. Analysts now expect 96% EPS growth in 2014 to $5.72 and 51% growth in 2015 to $8.65. These estimates may continue to be revised upward if crude prices decline further.

AAL stock rallied last week when an arbitration panel imposed a joint contract on the company’s 24,000 flight attendants after negotiations between their union and the company failed. This removed a major hurdle in the integration process.

In mid-November, AAL stock broke a primary resistance (now support) line at $44.50 from a well-defined bullish “V” formation. The breakout was accompanied by a golden cross (long-term bullish signal) and two breakaway gaps, which have since been closed by a new mini “V” consolidation with secondary resistance at $51.50.

The primary resistance had been built over an eight-month period. Therefore, its break is considered a major technical event since it was accompanied by heavy accumulation. On Friday, the stock rose through the secondary resistance line with a trading target of $58.

Buy AAL stock under $52 with a stop-loss order at $46.

 

[EastUS1]

Why not, it works every single time with this spineless pilot group.  Hurry vote yes or we might face the dreaded cost neutral arbitration.  And the company is in a position of power as they are making all time record profits.
Act now while supplies last.

 
Yeah, I pretty much give up. While I'll vote NO on principled objection to the utter and wholesale contempt now shown 15,000 pilots by the purple tutu gang, while they personally pocket many millions, and have available the most obscene profits even at all imaginable in history; if those with many years yet to go wish to devalue themselves for a few more immediately (if not at all given, due to as yet unexamined and fully unknown aspects of the supposed "contract") perceived coins in the fountain, then so be it.

 

[Claxon]

You east guys invented "union fraud". That's why the horrible MOU passed by 98% in phx. To end the fraud. Management played the situation brilliantly. Not only did you get loa93 for an extra 5 years, now you can add on this BS contract and Nic on steroids on top. Well done USAPA cheerleaders...well done.

Brilliant statement. 98% yes vote in PHX. For a " horrible" MOU. And the driver being idiots like you said it triggered the Nic. And the entire base of PHX lemmings bought the story. Where is it?
Sums it all up. america west pilots- enabling horrible contracts for over 3 decades......
Maybe Brice, Tony Anger, Cap'n Aux and Peeper can gin up a Planet APA video.

 

[nycbusdriver]

DFW UPDATE

3 January 2015


...We knew there was a possibility of an active voting process beginning this week, so we had pre-reserved the Grapevine Conventions Center for Monday (5 January) beginning at 1100.

 
Just curious:  What purpose is served in this process by reserving (read: renting) a convention center?  Is this a big place...it is a "convention center" after all?  Is someone expecting 17,000 APA pilots to converge at once?

 

[A320 Driver]

With the internet, conference calling and every imaginable type of media, what is to be gained by holding a meeting when obviously most of the group will be working or maybe even out of base at home? I'm with you on this one...

 

[EastUS1]

Brilliant statement. 98% yes vote in PHX. For a " horrible" MOU. And the driver being idiots like you said it triggered the Nic. And the entire base of PHX lemmings bought the story. Where is it?
Sums it all up. america west pilots- enabling horrible contracts for over 3 decades......
Maybe Brice, Tony Anger, Cap'n Aux and Peeper can gin up a Planet APA video.

 
"98% yes vote in PHX. For a " horrible" MOU" Yeah, now there's some truly great minds in action. Don't forget that they immediately filed a frivolous suit against the MOU after voting 98% in favor of it. An average collection of house plants would likely boast a higher aggregate IQ.
 
Expect the bulk of the PHX crowd to eagerly lick management's shoe soles at every possible opportunity.
 
"Maybe Brice, Tony Anger, Cap'n Aux and Peeper can gin up a Planet APA video." Hmm...maybe, but only assuming "Cap'n Aux" survived his heroically wannabe "U.S. Fighter Pilot" grand "adventure" in a baro chamber, that is.

 

[FL430]

It's just "dicta". We'll just ignore the parts we don't like and use stolen funds to keep the dream alive.

Is that what you were thinking during your Ansett days too?

Highest number of scabs relative their total size in airline history, geez!

 

[EastUS1]

Is that what you were thinking during your Ansett days too?

Highest number of scabs relative their total size in airline history, geez!

 
Perhaps a proud "Heritage" aircraft should be properly painted in Ansett colors....
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5t5aE0iW4o

 

[Phoenix]

Glass makes more money than I do, but my name isn't Glass or Mudd, and I'm good with that.

I should apologize for qouting an historical reference (Samuel Mudd). It was a terrible waste of bandwidth.

Those voting "No" are obviously already familiar with history and the historical reference, but those voting "yes" neither know history or have any intention to look up the apropos reference.

 

[FL430]

Perhaps a proud "Heritage" aircraft should be properly painted in Ansett colors....

Excellent idea! And maybe even a new matching tie to go along with it. They could try and peddle some to their new BFF's at APA! Lol

 

[luvthe9]

Perhaps a proud "Heritage" aircraft should be properly painted in Ansett colors....

Good one!

 

[FL430]

Perhaps a proud "Heritage" aircraft should be properly painted in Ansett colors....

Or maybe even a new "Spartan" themed paint job! They could paint little spartan shields near the cockpit for all of their negative votes to eastie posts - true battle tested warriors I tell you.

What a group; reminds me of their retired war hero "nice landing captain" - he would be back here except he has been helping "prechill" fix her clocks.

 

[Claxon]

Or maybe even a new "Spartan" themed paint job! They could paint little spartan shields near the cockpit for all of their negative votes to eastie posts - true battle tested warriors I tell you.
What a group; reminds me of their retired war hero "nice landing captain" - he would be back here except he has been helping "prechill" fix her clocks.

Metroyet made a decision to go west after furlough. Passed on the recall east and gambled on the Nic carrying him to lofty heights. Dreams do die hard sometimes.......

 

[end_of_alpa]

"Old tricks are the best tricks!" So it sadly seems, while another classic observation now applies as well: "Those who fail to learn the lessons of history..."
 
This BS's so old hat. Anyone with even the most basic education in business, psychology and negotiating could immediately see tried-and-true game moves here. Establish artificial stress through a contrived timeline and/or other devices. Sow uncertainty and disunity within the targeted group and undermine their governing agency and overall morale through direct propaganda to the group. See listings under crew news, etc. Perfect any deficiencies in one's "shell game" skills, so that those targeted are left mesmerized and willfully committed to play the game, while you take away whatever you want from them. See listings under: "Gosh! We really, really meant to have a detailed contract ready for your review, Honest, we did but, well, aw heck, just trust us!"

The APA has had most of the details for months. They should have had contract language in preparation. What Kirby was asking in the Dec 23 letter was asked for months ago. Many say it's the Company to blame. You mean the all knowing APA are the smart ones?