AA building more Miami's

[eolesen]

July is soon upon us. Tick, tock for Eagle.... Isn't Garton's parachute deployed in July?....

 

[Rogallo]

Funny you mention that....there is a hush-hush situation occuring with reps from Airbus and Embraer visiting HDQ recently...

I don't what for sure, but there is something afoot with regards to AA's strategy and negotiations with all three unions.

Heard the rumor about a pilot t/a too. The A319 was rumored as a 100 seater for AA.

 

[jimntx]

July is soon upon us. Tick, tock for Eagle.... Isn't Garton's parachute deployed in July?....

This is probably the real truth. Or, Garton will be brought back to the mother ship with much fanfare and a huge raise.

 

[WorldTraveler]

very doubtful that it will be the 319... the 319 is not a cost competitive aircraft... unless Airbus is also developing a reengined 319 based on the 320NEO....
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wouldn't it absolutely blow some folks AAwAAy if AA orders Airbus aircraft?

 

[jimntx]

Heard the rumor about a pilot t/a too. The A319 was rumored as a 100 seater for AA.

Or, the EMB-190 same size. My friends at US Airways say both a/c are actually rather nice to fly. And, lord knows we need something between the 737 and the CRJ/ERJ--particularly as AE goes it's own merry way (soon to be swallowed up by Republic Holdings).

 

[WorldTraveler]

according to DOT data, the CASM for the E190 operating for US and B6 is about 30% higher than the 738s costs are for AAs... even directly comparing the E190 to the 320 for B6, the CASM increase is more than 50%.
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The 150 seat aircraft size is the standard for US airline ops because it is very hard to get costs down from that level...
it should be noted that AE's costs for some of its aircraft are more than 14 cents per ASM.... makes a 190 look good but it still doesn't solve the problem of trying to make small aircraft costs long term competitive with "standard size" current production aircraft like the 320 and 738.
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Also according to DOT data, the only regional aircraft that has CASMs on par with mainline "standard size" aircraft is the CR9 operating by regional carriers in the "standard" 76 seat limit for network carriers.

 

[FWAAA]

JFK-NRT almost 14 hours.

I may be mistaken, but I think that JFK-NRT is another special exeption route, although it began early in 2002 before the RPA (that trivia may not matter). Recall that DFW-PEK was too long to fly without a side letter but that ORD-PEK is within the contract limit.

 

[jimntx]

according to DOT data, the CASM for the E190 operating for US and B6 is about 30% higher than the 738s costs are for AAs... even directly comparing the E190 to the 320 for B6, the CASM increase is more than 50%.
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The 150 seat aircraft size is the standard for US airline ops because it is very hard to get costs down from that level...
it should be noted that AE's costs for some of its aircraft are more than 14 cents per ASM.... makes a 190 look good but it still doesn't solve the problem of trying to make small aircraft costs long term competitive with "standard size" current production aircraft like the 320 and 738.
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Also according to DOT data, the only regional aircraft that has CASMs on par with mainline "standard size" aircraft is the CR9 operating by regional carriers in the "standard" 76 seat limit for network carriers.

Yeah, and we have markets that are being served by a/c that are too small (AE) because our mainline a/c are too large for the market.

 

[fltguymk]

thank you FWAAA for clarifying the current situation - and summarizing the specualtion about the 773ER for AA, all of which has been postulated by others
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bottom line is that AA is taking a gamble in adding new aircraft without an agreement to fly them.. andi it is very possible that the APA could take advantage of that opportunity to push what it wants....
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AA doesn't operate any 773ERs now but it does operate 772ERs although apparently limited in flight length....
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keep in mind also that the current limitations on longhaul 772ER flying will only be transferred to the 773ER until the issue of relief crew staffing is addressed... IIRC the issue is that AA apparently believes there should be only one captain (several US airlines believe this) while the only US airline that operates flights over 16 hours using the 773ERs sistership, the 77LR, staffs its flights with 2 captains and 2 FOs.... obviously DL decided that growing the network was worth the difference in pay between a captain and FO.
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bottom line is that growth with the 773ER esp. to the extent of that aircraft's wonderful capabilities is limited by the same labor issues that have dogged AA for nearly a decade.
If AA mgmt can use the 773ER as a carrot to overcome the labor problems that exist and get an agreement with the APA that would return AA to a position of competitiveness, AA's future will look a whole lot brighter

The 777Er's aren't even arriving till late next year. A lot can happen with contracts before then. Don't you worry. This is nothing new for us AA employess. We know how it works!

 

[IORFA]

Give the business to Embraer with the caveat that they take the 35 seaters back as a trade in. E190/195's would be nice in mainline service. Back to JFK-NRT, isn't the cutoff 14hours? I'm not a pilot, so maybe someone else can chime in. AA may have also received an LOA for this flight as well.

 

[fltguymk]

Heard the rumor about a pilot t/a too. The A319 was rumored as a 100 seater for AA.

I thought we signed an exclusive deal Boeing to only purchase their aircraft?

 

[WorldTraveler]

Yeah, and we have markets that are being served by a/c that are too small (AE) because our mainline a/c are too large for the market.

but buying another type of aircraft sized between the two doesn't help if the CASM isn't right... it's not a question of getting the right sized aircraft it's a question of getting the right sized aircaftt WITH the right CASM

The 777Er's aren't even arriving till late next year. A lot can happen with contracts before then. Don't you worry. This is nothing new for us AA employess. We know how it works!

the only difference is that AA mgmt is now deciding to grow the airline in hopes of resolving labor contracts. It is very possible that AA labor might decide to accept increased job security for concessions... if so then the game changes.

Give the business to Embraer with the caveat that they take the 35 seaters back as a trade in. E190/195's would be nice in mainline service. Back to JFK-NRT, isn't the cutoff 14hours? I'm not a pilot, so maybe someone else can chime in. AA may have also received an LOA for this flight as well.

that is what other carriers have done with the early build CRJs on trade ins for CR7s and 9s.
It still requires AA to get labor rates low enough to operate 100 seat aircraft which no US airline network labor union has agreed to do at rates competitive with larger mainline aircraft such as the 320 and 738.

I thought we signed an exclusive deal Boeing to only purchase their aircraft?

they have largely been ruled unenforceable.
Besides, if AA orders all the 738s and 777s it needs for the next several years and has contracts on 789s, what more are they going to order at different rates?

 

[Deleted member 17588]

Just another slant in the rumor mill.........a pilot told me just last week that AA had decided to purchase an aircraft from Bombardier and that the order has already been placed.

Personally, I'm not familiar enough with Bombardier to know what they have available in a 100-seat jet. Anybody?

 

[WorldTraveler]

could be the new Bombardier C series which is optimized as a 100-125 seat aircraft and a direct competitor to the E190/195.

http://cseries.com/En/

If AMR can trade in a huge part of their uneconomic smaller RJs for a new generation 100 seater and get reasonable pay rates from their pilots, their ability to compete in the domestic market will improve dramatically.

 

[Mach85ER]

July is soon upon us. Tick, tock for Eagle.... Isn't Garton's parachute deployed in July?....

I could only hope his parachute is as good as his marketing skills.