Christmas comes EARLY this Year.....for the....N R A !

[Ms Tree]

Regardless of how integrated the society is, is access to guns is limited people will have difficulty accessing guns and the homicide per capita will more than likely still be lower.

 

[delldude]

Regardless of how integrated the society is, is access to guns is limited people will have difficulty accessing guns and the homicide per capita will more than likely still be lower.

 
Murder never changes. Weapons do.

 

[EastUS1]

Regardless of how integrated the society is, is access to guns is limited people will have difficulty accessing guns and the homicide per capita will more than likely still be lower.

 
That's just another childish fantasy, right up there with "Other societies have maintained their freedoms with out the need to kill people." No one with a serious desire to harm others ever has any real trouble illegally obtaining weapons to do so. How can it be that anyone can even imagine otherwise?...By knowing NOTHING of history?...By willfully avoiding any painful intake of actual reality through the maintaining of some permanently delusional condition?
 
I'll again submit the earlier and notably, completely avoided question to you. You flatly stated that "Other societies have maintained their freedoms with out the need to kill people." OK then. Try naming even ONE society that's maintained any semblance of personal freedom over time without having to kill people for it....? You can't. No one can. Guns aren't always "bad." People sometimes are. End of story.
 
http://www.nps.gov/mima/forteachers/the-shot-heard-round-the-world.htm
 
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/woman-hiding-kids-shoots-intruder/nTm7s/
 
http://monachuslex.com/?p=1678
 
http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/video/ga-woman-kills-would-be-rapist/
 
http://madworldnews.com/girl-saves-mothers-intruder/

 

[SparrowHawk]

Regardless of how integrated the society is, is access to guns is limited people will have difficulty accessing guns and the homicide per capita will more than likely still be lower.

 
Right along with the death of Liberty. Lower gun deaths per capita is a high price to pay for imagined security from a government that is tyrannical and out of control. As the Japanese General said about invade the US in WWII, "There will be a gun behind every blade of grass". Which of course why the government wants fewer guns. Makes us easier to control and subjugate like the Warsaw Ghetto for one glaring example.

 

[delldude]

 
The answer is CULTURE, as in those countries where paranoia is at a noticible LOW.No wonder the Nobel peace prize is presented in Oslo Norway as opposed to BUM-F'k  TEXAS !

 
 
Funny you mention that fact. It is Alfred Nobel whose chemical, engineering background got him a steel mill and manufacturing in armament which eventually lead to the destruction of Europe and many other parts of the world. How many bombs killed all over the globe with technolgy AE Nobel discovered?

 

[EastUS1]

Regardless of how integrated the society is, is access to guns is limited people will have difficulty accessing guns and the homicide per capita will more than likely still be lower.

 
 
http://gunssavelives.net/blog/2012-fbi-homicide-stats-are-out-hammers-fists-killed-3-5x-more-than-rifles/
 
Sigh!.....Must go now. My unicorn's getting restless. That sometimes happens to her, whenever all of human nature and history instantly and magically changes, and there are suddenly nothing but thousands of "hope and change" rainbows  appearing all over the sky.

 

[EastUS1]

 
Right along with the death of Liberty. Lower gun deaths per capita is a high price to pay for imagined security from a government that is tyrannical and out of control. As the Japanese General said about invade the US in WWII, "There will be a gun behind every blade of grass". Which of course why the government wants fewer guns. Makes us easier to control and subjugate like the Warsaw Ghetto for one glaring example.

 
My first loud and clear clue to distrust guv-mint came in the immediate aftermath of Desert Storm. All of us returning to the USA and resuming our commerical airline lives of course needed FAA physicals to do so, it having been 9 months or more of time "off" for the war. During that time, the illustrious Lizzie Dole had decreed that all obtaining fed physicals were to be drug tested. = "Welcome home. Thanks for your service and it's nice you survived, now fill this cup, because we, your very own country's government, don't really trust you at ALL, and instead consider you a drug suspect." I've always found it noteworthy that, when Erich Hartmann was to receive yet another adornment to his Knight's Cross from the very hands of Adolf Hitler, that, when an SS officer asked for his sidearm, that he flatly refused, but yet was accepted into Hitler's presence by direct orders from none other than arguably the most murderous psychotic in history himself. Even the properly paranoid Adolph Hitler, at at least some level, trusted some of his soldiers....but not the likes of Lizzy Dole and our own guv-mint, it sadly seems.
 
"Right along with the death of Liberty." doesn't even begin to describe what's happening these days.

 

[Ms Tree]

 
Right along with the death of Liberty. Lower gun deaths per capita is a high price to pay for imagined security from a government that is tyrannical and out of control. As the Japanese General said about invade the US in WWII, "There will be a gun behind every blade of grass". Which of course why the government wants fewer guns. Makes us easier to control and subjugate like the Warsaw Ghetto for one glaring example.

Not sure on what basis you claim that the security of people in the countries with lower homicide rates is imagined.
http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/GUNS/GUNSTAT.gif
 
I sure do not feel secure in this country.  I bet most of the deaf people would not say that they felt more secure.  Just a hunch.

 

[EastUS1]

I sure do not feel secure in this country.

 
Feel perfectly free and personally encouraged to go somewhere/ANYwhere in this world that might, in even your wildest imaginings, actually "feel secure" then. A minor point of curiosity though: Where would that be? I must assume it exists in some part of Fantasyland where "Other societies have maintained their freedoms with out the need to kill people." Heck, I'm fast-approaching retirement and could easilly relocate. I'd love to find a place where violence doesn't exist, boundless love is universal, cotton candy and unicorns abound, and I can "feel secure"...? Well...all that, and some good tax advantages would be nice.
 
Heck! Sign me up! I'd love to go to such a place as shown below....Umm....After all the beautiful intro though; note the "little detail" of the weapon's explosion at the very end....Don't even dare imagine all those that've seen/heard/experienced serious violence have any great love for it, but just sadly realize it's inevitable nature....at least at this point in the evolutionary process. At this point in time?...I'll keep my weapons...PERIOD!
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btYfSAcEyNs

 

[EastUS1]

 
The answer is CULTURE, as in those countries where paranoia is at a noticible LOW.No wonder the Nobel peace prize is presented in Oslo Norway as opposed to BUM-F'k  TEXAS !

 
I've got 10 seconds to spare, so tell us all about your unmatched, personal world travels, and your extensive "knowledge" of other "CULTURE" and society? Hint: Hanging out at the nearest "tribal" casino doesn't count. "7 come 11, for the White Buffalo!...One summer a long time ago, the seven sacred council fires of the Lakota Sioux came together!  Subsequently of course; they all got their azzes handed to them and unconditionally surrendered, but that's perhaps best debated on a blackjack table?
 
"The answer is CULTURE.."...? Seriously? Sigh! Spare me/us all. On that issue; I've always wondered just why a buncha' self-imposed, stone-age illiterates, that couldn't even figure out metal casting, who had the incredibly vast resources of this continent available for thousands of years, yet made NOTHING of them, and who's primary hobbies were warring on the conveniently, nearest located tribes with stone axes and arrows, well, never saw the need to advance themselves beyond the stone age? Exactly WHY was the "first Thanksgiving" actually a direct celebration of the aftermath of some wimp-azzed tribe, successfully asking of the "evil" white boys to make a murderous night attack with their "fire sticks" on the otherwise dominate group of "noble" natives that were kicking the local tribe's ###? Go ahead and google it, then actually study even the tiniest bit of actual history, and don't come back 'till you know WTF you're talking about...Chief Black Bears...BTW, that bit about trading Manhatten island for around $26 worth of beads was sheer genius.
 
Here's one of my personal favorites per contemporary tribal "nobility"...There must just be something truly noble and sacred that the "Great Spirit" blesses about white boy's fire sticks, especially .50 cal sorts..Perhaps your noble ancestors should've figured out how much the Great Spirit apparently loves firearms, before taking on the evil european settlers in the first place....just sayin: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/a-50-caliber-gun-for-whale-hunting/
 
Coastal Native Americans return to their ancestor's hunting styles and shoot a whale with a .50 cal machine gun

 

[EastUS1]

I sure do not feel secure in this country.  I bet most of the deaf people would not say that they felt more secure.  Just a hunch.

 
I highly doubt "most of the deaf people" would share your strange fantasies at any level, and as for the country that you "do not feel secure in"?....Well...it wouldn't even exist had not many, many thousands taken up "evil" guns to even birth it into existence, and well over half a million dying while fighting with "evil" weapons/guns against the most obviously pronounced enemies of Freedom to exist in recent centuries, if not ever.
 
"I sure do not feel secure in this country." Then please leave at your earliest convenience. Pretty simple solution.

 

[EastUS1]

 
The answer is CULTURE, ...

 
Sure is. All earlier sarcasm aside: Just how many "noble native americans" were in place, when just a relative handful of intruding, "fire stick" armed europeans were so easily able to take everything from your ancestors, and kill however many of them they felt the need to?...Or even just at their momentary whims? It's sure a good thing that all of human nature has so radically changed for the better since then....Right? Heck! We can't even nowadays imagine a world where helpless people get their heads sawed off with a knife, just for one example. Let's get rid of all the "evil" guns, so we can make darn sure only the bad guys have any. We're a universally and unconditionally loving species, after all. What could even possibly go wrong? Well..other than perhaps some "little" things: "Political power comes from the barrel of a gun"...Chairman Mao. "Knowing" that all of our own used-to-be-called-Representatives, now self-styled "Lawmakers" could/would NEVER learn anything from the Chairman gives me great comfort, as it should every American, especially these days...Right? I mean really; why would any narcissistic sociopaths ever take lessons from a more successful example, that unconditionally ruled for the duration of his life after taking power?
 
P.S. "The answer is CULTURE," Umm...OK. So how would any of you "noble native americans" manage to murder helpless whales in any "sacred" ceremonial hunt without .50 cal weapons though?...By throwing "sacred" dice or cards at them, perhaps bashing them with a roulette wheel?

 

[EastUS1]

P.S. "The answer is CULTURE," Umm...OK. So how would any of you "noble native americans" manage to murder helpless whales in any "sacred" ceremonial hunt without .50 cal weapons though?...By throwing "sacred" dice or cards at them, perhaps bashing them with a roulette wheel?

 
A minor point of curiosity here: Was it the reality-based observance that contemporary "noble natives" aren't at all apparently capable of killing even a helpless whale with less than an "evil" .50 cal that got the minus vote?...Or just the vision of Chief Black Bears brutally bludgeoning one with a roulette wheel?...Or perhaps that power-crazed politicians who wish to disarm the supposedly "Free" populace hardly have said peoples' interests, much less Freedom at ALL in mind?
 
"The answer is CULTURE," I'll leave readers to decide just what sort of "CULTURE" they wish to live in. For myself?...I'm gonna' check on whether or not I can get a tribal shaman's blessings to go kill some poor, helpless whale with a .50 cal, heck, maybe even a 20 or 30mm...for purely "spiritual" and "traditional" reasons, of course. Just kidding. Whales are magnificent beings to encounter in the sea. No kidding there. They're literally breath taking to get close to. Why would anyone otherwise think I've such contempt for "noble" low-lifes that murder them for disgustingly sick, "tribal" sport?
 
"The answer is CULTURE," Any prepped, but cracked Petri dish will always bring forth a "CULTURE," if left unattended...Most such are properly thrown in the trash though.

 

[Dog Wonder]

How many bars tossed you last night before you came home to talk to yourself?

 

[EastUS1]

How many bars tossed you last night before you came home to talk to yourself?

 
 
"Any prepped, but cracked Petri dish will always bring forth a "CULTURE," if left unattended...Most such are properly thrown in the trash though."  Thanks for making my point.