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AANYER said:
This started with you making a number of claims about the decision of the bankruptcy court, including that the 1114 process had been circumvented. I pointed out that the court’s decision contradicts you. You have now changed the subject.
Just about every one of the concessions you are complaining about, and some far worse, were agreed to at one time or another by AMFA, the IAM, or the IBT either in bankruptcy or to stay out of bankruptcy. If you need the documentation I can show it. I do not criticize those agreements because I understand how limited the choices are in bankruptcy. But, none of these agreements, except for the TWU/AA contract, had a meaningful restriction on outsourcing or even preserved the majority of mechanic and related work. Every agreement negotiated in bankruptcy put its work groups at or near the bottom of the industry, something which even the bankruptcy judge pointed out. However, none of these agreements provided for a snap up to industry standard less than two years after coming out of bankruptcy.
Realityck, or better yet "Unreal"
We will use every and any means possible to let our voice be heard. We will let the world know about the wrong and crocked things you are doing to us, the TWU Dues paying members. We will shout out till all of our colleagues know what you are doing to us. Maybe, just maybe you thought by creating a national local (TWU local 591), you could shut us up. Nope, it ain't happening, you are out of line brother. You are and your TWU hardliners just made it worst. All of the men are steaming from the ears. There's fire coming from their noses and mouths. I hope you can visualized this.
AMFA NOW MORE THAN EVER
We will use every and any means possible to let our voice be heard. We will let the world know about the wrong and crocked things you are doing to us, the TWU Dues paying members. We will shout out till all of our colleagues know what you are doing to us. Maybe, just maybe you thought by creating a national local (TWU local 591), you could shut us up. Nope, it ain't happening, you are out of line brother. You are and your TWU hardliners just made it worst. All of the men are steaming from the ears. There's fire coming from their noses and mouths. I hope you can visualized this.
AMFA NOW MORE THAN EVER
It is stores who still gets their 6 weeks vacation. Fleet and stores also still get longevity pay and let's not forget that on top of everything else, the TWU decided AMTs needed to take a 2.5% higher pay cut than anyone else. Let's see the Koolaid drinkers explain that away. When it came time for cuts, the AMTs got stuck with more than anyone, then in BK we get a "Cost neutral" contract that somehow improves everything for stock clerks, including skill pay for them, but costs us another week vacation. We need to get AMFA in here now or we'll continue to fund raises for the other groups from now on.AANYER said:
OldGuy@AA,
Thanks for pointing out these additional key take aways. Let me make this clear, there is little to no difference betwixt and between the AMTs salary and the Stock clerks and Fleet service. This is the core of the TWUs communist philosophy, they operate with smoke and mirrors by hiding these FSC pluses in the contract. Their DNA says the following: one dozen eggs, one loath of bread, one chicken for one month. This is exactly how it's done in CUBA. I know, my family has experienced it. This is what the TWU is all about.
More importantly, for the company revenue neutral obviously means no cost increases. However, as it relates to the TWU, revenue neutral actually means no salary difference between the work groups. If you look at all of the additional pluses that the Stores and Fleet service receives, their salary is essential the same as an AMT. For our colleagues in Tulsa, it is even worst, some may be receiving baggage handlers pay right now. These AMTs were essentially busted down to Fleet Service wages. Why, because we have people like Realityck and CIO telling them that they should be happy to have a job. All the while, the TWU keeps negotiating for the Highest Wages in the Industry for Fleet Service on our backs. Why do you ask, because they themselves are mostly Fleet Service clerks that run the Union and they despise us. Lastly, for those AMT's who are toeing the TWU line, it's all about the additional pay that they are receiving for their misdeeds. It's a I Got Mine TWU Attitude. Fact, there cannot be a real AA Aircraft Technician alive that thinks the TWU is good for anything. If there appears to be, show me that thing and I'll show you a humanoid.
AMFA NOW MORE THAN EVER
Thanks for pointing out these additional key take aways. Let me make this clear, there is little to no difference betwixt and between the AMTs salary and the Stock clerks and Fleet service. This is the core of the TWUs communist philosophy, they operate with smoke and mirrors by hiding these FSC pluses in the contract. Their DNA says the following: one dozen eggs, one loath of bread, one chicken for one month. This is exactly how it's done in CUBA. I know, my family has experienced it. This is what the TWU is all about.
More importantly, for the company revenue neutral obviously means no cost increases. However, as it relates to the TWU, revenue neutral actually means no salary difference between the work groups. If you look at all of the additional pluses that the Stores and Fleet service receives, their salary is essential the same as an AMT. For our colleagues in Tulsa, it is even worst, some may be receiving baggage handlers pay right now. These AMTs were essentially busted down to Fleet Service wages. Why, because we have people like Realityck and CIO telling them that they should be happy to have a job. All the while, the TWU keeps negotiating for the Highest Wages in the Industry for Fleet Service on our backs. Why do you ask, because they themselves are mostly Fleet Service clerks that run the Union and they despise us. Lastly, for those AMT's who are toeing the TWU line, it's all about the additional pay that they are receiving for their misdeeds. It's a I Got Mine TWU Attitude. Fact, there cannot be a real AA Aircraft Technician alive that thinks the TWU is good for anything. If there appears to be, show me that thing and I'll show you a humanoid.
AMFA NOW MORE THAN EVER
Well, Sir. I sure am sorry your back hurts so bad from carrying us around all these years. Please vote your damn AMFA in so at least I don't have to hear how the baggage monkeys are stealing all your AMT money. I hope it all works out for you guys and you have AMFA negotiate a boatload of contract sweeteners. But i am tired of the Fleet service riding on your coat tails trash.
Screwed again,
My apologies to you, However, when the TWU negotiates, the AMT's benefits should not be subpar to all of the other AA colleagues. We don't want a boatload of money. We just want a fair and equitable contract that is in line with our pairs at the leading airlines. If I offended you, I am truly sorry. My real hope, would be to see you guys with the IAM and the AMT's with AMFA. You guys would be much better under a singular union. Not this bullshit IAM/TWU association that they want to ram down our throats.
My apologies to you, However, when the TWU negotiates, the AMT's benefits should not be subpar to all of the other AA colleagues. We don't want a boatload of money. We just want a fair and equitable contract that is in line with our pairs at the leading airlines. If I offended you, I am truly sorry. My real hope, would be to see you guys with the IAM and the AMT's with AMFA. You guys would be much better under a singular union. Not this bullshit IAM/TWU association that they want to ram down our throats.
Again, I do hope you AMT's get your AMFA. But I'm afraid our side is screwed with the association of dues IAM/TWU.
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By all means please do.Realityck said:
Sure maybe everyone at one time or another agreed to one of those concessions listed, but we are the only one that agreed to ALL of them!!!
Please show us our snap back to industry standard while you are at it.
Yes we have the DOS +36 month wage adjustment but that only includes UAL, Delta and USAIRWAYS, so it only brings us up to what other carriers that went through C-11 Bankruptcy get, not the industry, that's right, it only brings us "up to" other carriers that went through C-11, in other words we came out much worse off than anyone, you are trying to make it sound like we got something good here, you are admitting that we came out worse than anyone. Even the other carriers that went through Chapter 11 and the wage adjustment only adjusts the wage but what about our OT rules, our Vacation, Our sick time, our medical, our retiree medical etc etc? It doesn't restore any of that. So we have to wait two more years to go from dead last to at best second from the bottom, and its a one shot deal where if our lousy deal doesn't hold them back we have three more years of ZERO raises and will certainly be at the bottom again.
Sorry if you are taking this personally but the facts are that AA AMTs are the lowest paid in the industry. AA Fleet Service and Stores are not. AA AMTs have less benefits than Fleet or Stores when we are in the same union. Also factor in that nowhere have we heard or seen in print where anyone in Fleet or Stores (or the TWU international) has a problem with AMTs being treated like second class citizens. I would think that somewhere there has to be someone with a conscience that would speak out from these other groups but all there is is silence. This is either due to complacency or just plain disdain for our work group. I am thinking some of the former and most of the latter. This also tells me the TWU is not a real union. In a real union one group wouldn't be singled out for most of the concessions and inferior benefits. I will mention that an A&P license is required to be an AMT at AA. These do not come easily or cheaply. There is absolutely no license or special qualification required to be in Fleet or Stores. Also the TWU has made it possible for a licensed AMT to be bumped to OSM and actually earn less money than a Fleet Service Clerk for doing and signing off AMT work using the license he is no longer paid for. Fleet and Stores are not faced with that possibility. When we talk about why we want to get away from the TWU the FSCs come out of the wood work to express their disgust with our views. AMTs sign off work every day and are accountable to the FAA and could be fined and/or imprisoned for making an honest mistake. We are subject to random drug testing also. I'm not sure about Fleet but Stores has to run into or over something with a forklift to get tested. The risk we take and the responsibility we have warrants us a higher hourly pay than the other groups. The TWU (and probably you) think we should all make the same money. We are constantly disrespected by our coworkers and our union. Simulator Techs make much more money than an AMT. Why does someone who works on a pretend airplane get more money? Has anyone ever heard of an injury or fatality due to a simulator malfunction? Another slam by the TWU. I would also like to point out for the umpteenth time that AMTs deserve the same benefits as Fleet and Stores. We have earned them. But again there are never any comments to that effect from FS or Stores on this board. I will say that AANOTOK has admitted in the past that what the TWU has done to the AMTs is wrong after I asked him but he is the lone wolf among all FSCs who frequent this board. Excuse me if I don't like being treated like a second class citizen and want out of the TWU. Hopefully that will happen. When it does I'm sure the TWU/IAM will be looking to help AA out by lowering the cost of FS and Stores operations. I don't wish any bad for you. I only say that if you are not the lowest paid then I should not be. If you get paid sick time then I should get it too. If you get longevity pay, then I should get it also. If Stores gets 6 weeks of vacation then we should all get it. So I am hoping we do vote the damn AMFA in so we no longer must bear the brunt of concessions and a lower share of the improvements. Sometimes the truth is not what we want to hear but the truth is that Fleet and Stores pay and benefits have been maintained and improved at the expense of the AMTs. Also the TWU has taken work from us (Pushbacks and deicing) and handed it to Fleet. This results in less of us and more of you. I don't take it personally that you have no problem with the inferior benefits forced on me so you should not take it personally that I say your pay is what it is because they pay me less. My problem is with the TWU not you or any one union member. It is strictly business.screwed again said:
Gent's stop betting each other up. Look below to see what the FLASH Boys receive in Plunder and pillage;
In the disclosure of executive compensation, Horton leads the list, with $19.3 million in total compensation. Parker, US Airways chairman and CEO who took over as AAG CEO on Dec. 9, had a 2013 package of money, stock and other compensation valued at $17.7 million.
EXECUTIVE SALARY TOTAL COMPENSATION POSITION
Salary Bonus
Thomas W. Horton $591,911 $19,343,121 Chairman
W. Douglas Parker $42,308 $17,661,130 CEO
J. Scott Kirby $42,868 $13,283,563 President
James B. Ream $581,196 $10,099,368 Ex-AA SVP maintenance
Daniel P. Garton $541,087 $10,062,287 Ex-AA EVP, head of American Eagle
Robert D. Isom Jr. $37,826 $9,590,929 EVP-operations
Isabella D. Goren $551,193 $9,493,372 Ex-CFO
Stephen L. Johnson $35,724 $8,384,009 EVP-corporate affairs
Derek J. Kerr $33,622 $8,279,828 CFO
The TWU has screwed us enough. How bad could things had been?
AMFA Now More Than Ever
In the disclosure of executive compensation, Horton leads the list, with $19.3 million in total compensation. Parker, US Airways chairman and CEO who took over as AAG CEO on Dec. 9, had a 2013 package of money, stock and other compensation valued at $17.7 million.
EXECUTIVE SALARY TOTAL COMPENSATION POSITION
Salary Bonus
Thomas W. Horton $591,911 $19,343,121 Chairman
W. Douglas Parker $42,308 $17,661,130 CEO
J. Scott Kirby $42,868 $13,283,563 President
James B. Ream $581,196 $10,099,368 Ex-AA SVP maintenance
Daniel P. Garton $541,087 $10,062,287 Ex-AA EVP, head of American Eagle
Robert D. Isom Jr. $37,826 $9,590,929 EVP-operations
Isabella D. Goren $551,193 $9,493,372 Ex-CFO
Stephen L. Johnson $35,724 $8,384,009 EVP-corporate affairs
Derek J. Kerr $33,622 $8,279,828 CFO
The TWU has screwed us enough. How bad could things had been?
AMFA Now More Than Ever
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