Delta +7%.......means what?

[Chuck Schalk]

The chatter on the floor is that Delta +7% means we are getting a raise from delta's $40(+) dollar an hour they are making as of April 1, 2015. That is what we perceive it to be.    Wait for the curve ball, it is coming and then lets talk again about Delta +7%.
The company has not explained what their intent on Delta + 7% means to them.  As well as the TWU International has their 2 cents as well.  I hope the chatter is right this time!

 

[700UW]

Very easy to figure out, they did the same for the FAs and Pilots.

 

[dfw gen]

ill believe it when i see it. this company is so full of **** and lousy promises.....

 

[Buster CRC]

The main question is how long will the NMB keep holding it up. 8 months and counting....so if the D+7 is really out there how much is it costing us per day. Would it already have happened if TWU and IAM just played by the rules and let us have a vote for representation?

 

[Vortilon]

Watch the aircraft maintenance town hall meetings on Jetnet.  The last town hall meeting from DWH, an AMT stood up, and asked that very question: "what does Delta plus 7% actually mean?".  The tap dancing started, Kirby, Isom, and the rest would not commit to making things right.  The answer was: "have you seen Delta's scope clause"?  Then it continued, "that it depends what your new association negotiates for you".  Translation  - we are screwed!

 

[Vortilon]

The main question is how long will the NMB keep holding it up. 8 months and counting....so if the D+7 is really out there how much is it costing us per day. Would it already have happened if TWU and IAM just played by the rules and let us have a vote for representation?

 
Yeah, the fact that there is an apparent lack of motivation on the NMBs part to make a decision on our representation is very unfair to us.  The company is using this as an excuse not to give us the 4% raise now, as if we have any say so in the matter.  This decision shouldn't have taken more than a week to figure out, let the involved parties vote on everything. 

 

[Overspeed]

Vortilon,
You are right. The scope clause was brought up several times and in other town halls. The DL + 7% is with major conditions. My understanding is that while the TWU scope clause gave up work from prior to BK, Isom/Wroble/Seymour want more flexibility in being able to outsource. We know that US has limited overhaul capacity in PIT and outsources more heavy overhaul type work than AA does currently. I suspect New AA wants to give us DL + 7% with outsourcing of more overhaul on the line of US volumes. US/IAM contract seems stronger on line MX work being outsourced to local hires overseas though.
 
How will the TWU, IAM, and it looks like the Association respond? Can GP, Pike, and Danker get us the DL + 7% without allowing more overhaul being outsourced?

 

[700UW]

US doesnt have limited capacity in PIT or CLT.
 
When US had no ability to farmout US accomplished all heavy and most components done in-house, with the same two heavy bases.

And US can farmout 50% of billable Heavy Maintenance hours.
 
They do outsource most all components as that was lost after our CBA was abrogated in 2005.

 

[Overspeed]

700W,
Are you saying this article is lying about Airbus' aircraft being farmed out?
 
"The maintenance facility is where US Airways performs nearly two-thirds of the overhauls on its fleet of 256 Airbuses. That is a plus because American Airlines only recently added Airbuses to its fleet and does not have much experience in servicing the European-made planes."

http://triblive.com/business/headlines/5093911-74/airways-american-airline#ixzz3X1ZcqhkH

 

 

[Overspeed]

700W,
How about engine overhauls? Article states its been going on since 1996.
 
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ge-engine-services-awarded-maintenance-contract-by-us-airways-for-new-cfm56-5-fleet-77714527.html

 

[700UW]

Do you have problems reading?
 
US can only farmout 50% of billable hours of heavy, we lost the majority of the component overhaul after our CBA was abrogated in bankruptcy in 2005.
 
US only overhauled JT8s and Tays in-house, never overhauled the CFMs at all.
 
PIT has two lines of overhaul and has the capability to do more, they were doing three tracks, and had as many as five or six going before the chapter 11 cases.
 
CLT has five bays in the heavy hangar with three lines of check going on and some drop-in work.
US cant farmout line maintenance.
 
And the article you quoted is filled with wrong information, PIT doesnt have 700 jobs in heavy maintenance nor is the 675 jobs that are guaranteed arent all in PIT.
 
CLT and PIT heavy maintenance have to carry between the two of them, 675 mechanics.
 
And CLT is now working on airbus as all the 737s were retired.
 
Better find a better source of information.

 

[toroshark]

Overspeed, you over estimate GP, Pike, and Danker's abilities to negotiate something good for the membership. Under the Association plan, they are just 3 representatives of a TWU commitee that is chaired by a fleet service clerk. In addition to a IAM commitee of 3 and a chairman. Also the IAM is chair for the first 2 years of the proposed Association. It appears the majority of the new AA is at the mercy of the minority for the JCBA in which countless very important contractual issues will be resolved. I believe any hope on continuing onward with a 401k match will fall by the wayside of the IAMPF which will be force fed the TWU membership.

 

[Overspeed]

700W,
So is it 50% of heavy MHs as you state plus all component and engines? Wow if we do that on the AA side of the house there are hundreds in PALM TUL and that means TAESL is gone to get on par with US/IAM scope language. The Association will definitely have their work cut out for them to avoid ending up running like US across the system on the overhaul side. Now as far as line MX it looks as if US/IAM did do better than the TWU on that. AA has AC and CFP work done all over South America.

 

[bigjets]

Watch the aircraft maintenance town hall meetings on Jetnet.  The last town hall meeting from DWH, an AMT stood up, and asked that very question: "what does Delta plus 7% actually mean?".  The tap dancing started, Kirby, Isom, and the rest would not commit to making things right.  The answer was: "have you seen Delta's scope clause"?  Then it continued, "that it depends what your new association negotiates for you".  Translation  - we are screwed!

 
Isom also said the union gets a pie of money and how the union divides it up, is what we get. Thanks to all the libtards in Tulsa, who have to be part of a collective, instead of their own merit, (I say Tulsa, because they're the ones that keep the TWU in power) we will be behind everyone again......No UNION,,,,,, what has being part of the TWU done for you? We all saw how the UNIONS stuck together from having any kind accountability. 
 
To me Delta + 7 equals, everything a Delta MECHANIC has +7, just like the pilots and FA's. Not a collective +7 above Delta's ground employees and AA's ground employees.

 

[Kev3188]

First you have to figure out if DL +7 is strictly pertaining to base rates, "all in" (eg lic. perms., etc.), or total compensation.