Jfk - Newcastle

[aafsc]

Never mind the A checks for now!

What about heavy maintenance sent overseas that cost THOUSANDS of mechanics jobs?

[post="284597"][/post]​

What heavy maintenence has AA been sending overseas?

 

[Hopeful]

What heavy maintenence has AA been sending overseas?

[post="284678"][/post]​

I am speaking of the industry as a whole! UAL, NWA, JBLU, UPS FEDEX!!!!!
Go back and read my other posts under this topic.

Don't just cut and paste one of my posts and take it out of context.


UAL used to have 12000 mechanics, they are now in the 5000 number range.

I didn't see any other work group suffer these kinds of losses.

 

[eolesen]

Hey OneFlyer you're back and wrong as always. Hawaii trip gets in daily at 0530 and departs night at 2130. Arrives down south early in the morning next day and departs late at night. Sometimes they use other equipment but that plane always has at least 8 hours on the ground. But hell what do we know, we just sit and stare at the plane daily.

[post="284640"][/post]​

Always has at least 8 hours on the ground?... Try 30% of the time.

Of the 82 flights from Hawaii this month, only 24 of them had at least 9 hours on the ground.

InFlt  InDate     InAct Acft GrndH OutAct Dest OutFlt 
------ ---------- ----- ---- ----- ------ ---- ------ 
   214 07/02/2005 08:48 371  2     10:59  STL    1103 
     6 07/02/2005 05:00 366  11    16:00  LGW      80 
   102 07/02/2005 06:29 369  3     09:57  HNL       5 
     8 07/02/2005 05:13 389  3     08:01  LAX    2407 
     6 07/03/2005 08:08 371  3     11:58  OGG       7 
   102 07/03/2005 06:26 361  15    21:07  SCL     945 
     8 07/03/2005 04:57 357  3     07:59  LAX    2407 
     6 07/04/2005 04:54 371  11    15:01  LGW      80 
     8 07/04/2005 05:04 370  4     09:48  HNL       5 
   102 07/04/2005 06:20 351  5     11:55  OGG       7 
   102 07/05/2005 06:20 363  9     15:38  LGW      80 
     8 07/05/2005 05:02 362  16    21:37  SCL     945 
     6 07/05/2005 04:52 351  3     07:57  LAX    2407 
     8 07/06/2005 05:24 372  6     11:58  OGG       7 
     6 07/06/2005 06:53 396  9     15:04  ZRH      38 
   102 07/06/2005 06:35 349  6     12:01  HNL     123 
   102 07/07/2005 06:36 361  6     12:54  HNL     123 
     6 07/07/2005 05:25 372  18    23:58  SCL     945 
     8 07/07/2005 05:31 349  2     07:58  LAX    2407 
     6 07/08/2005 06:08 351  3     09:49  HNL       5 
   102 07/08/2005 06:33 361  3     09:44  CUN     315 
     8 07/08/2005 05:38 362  2     07:59  LAX    2407 
   102 07/09/2005 06:35 349  3     09:52  HNL       5 
     6 07/09/2005 05:03 378  3     08:38  SCL     945 
     8 07/09/2005 05:25 369  3     08:16  LAX    2407 
   102 07/10/2005 06:42 383  3     09:50  HNL       5 
     6 07/10/2005 05:11 372  6     11:02  STL    1103 
     8 07/10/2005 05:18 389  2     07:57  LAX    2407 
     8 07/11/2005 05:17 365  4     09:48  HNL       5 
   102 07/11/2005 06:29 369  3     09:59  LAX    2407 
     8 07/12/2005 05:21 373  6     11:57  HNL     123 
   102 07/12/2005 06:44 371  3     09:49  HNL       5 
     6 07/12/2005 05:06 392  7     12:00  OGG       7 
     6 07/13/2005 05:15 392  2     07:59  LAX    2407 
   102 07/13/2005 06:43 387  5     11:42  HNL     123 
     8 07/13/2005 05:28 371  10    15:02  LGW      80 
     6 07/14/2005 05:15 393  4     09:15  LAS     855 
   102 07/14/2005 06:33 387  13    19:59  GRU     963 
     8 07/14/2005 07:00 372  1     08:17  LAX    2407 
     8 07/15/2005 05:22 342  13    18:27  GRU     981 
   102 07/15/2005 06:36 394  4     10:02  HNL       5 
     6 07/15/2005 06:06 392  8     14:53  ZRH      38 
   102 07/16/2005 06:21 346  9     15:15  ZRH      38 
     6 07/16/2005 05:05 362  6     11:31  CUN    2063 
     8 07/16/2005 05:15 363  3     08:08  LAX    2407 
     6 07/17/2005 04:53 387  5     09:46  CUN     315 
     8 07/17/2005 05:15 390  4     09:44  HNL       5 
   102 07/17/2005 07:24 375  4     11:58  HNL     123 
     8 07/18/2005 05:15 364  4     09:44  HNL       5 
     6 07/18/2005 05:11 393  7     12:39  OGG       7 
   102 07/18/2005 06:32 375  2     08:00  LAX    2407 
   102 07/19/2005 06:34 354  14    20:07  GRU     963 
     8 07/19/2005 05:06 389  6     11:57  HNL     123 
     6 07/19/2005 05:10 393  6     11:57  OGG       7 
   102 07/20/2005 06:50 389  13    19:35  EZE     997 
     6 07/20/2005 05:00 393  2     07:57  LAX    2407 
     8 07/20/2005 05:14 383  10    15:03  LGW      80 
     8 07/21/2005 05:14 367  4     09:45  HNL       5 
     6 07/21/2005 04:59 372  7     11:56  OGG       7 
   102 07/21/2005 06:35 392  2     08:11  LAX    2407 
   102 07/22/2005 07:50 375  10    17:39  CDG      48 
     8 07/22/2005 05:12 396  6     11:43  HNL     123 
     6 07/22/2005 04:51 372  5     09:49  LAX    2417 
     6 07/23/2005 06:01 354  9     15:03  ZRH      38 
     8 07/23/2005 05:06 342  10    15:09  LGW      80 
   102 07/23/2005 06:27 396  11    17:44  LAX    2465 
     6 07/24/2005 04:54 368  6     10:06  HNL       5 
     8 07/24/2005 05:08 366  3     08:00  LAX    2407 
   102 07/24/2005 06:37 392  3     09:50  LAX    2417 
   102 07/25/2005 06:28 349  3     09:50  HNL       5 
     6 07/25/2005 05:03 399  4     09:12  BWI    1346 
     8 07/25/2005 05:15 386  2     07:59  LAX    2407 
   102 07/26/2005 06:23 344  3     09:48  HNL       5 
     8 07/26/2005 05:42 366  9     14:54  LGW      80 
     6 07/26/2005 05:01 362  6     11:46  HNL     123 
   102 07/27/2005 06:31 362  5     11:58  OGG       7 
     6 07/27/2005 05:01 384  9     14:56  ZRH      38 
     8 07/27/2005 05:36 359  11    16:03  SFO     327 
   102 07/28/2005 06:29 396  9     15:03  ZRH      38 
     8 07/28/2005 05:13 352  12    17:43  CDG      48 
   102 07/28/2005 00:00 383  12    12:13  HNL     123 
     6 07/28/2005 05:03 362  15    20:37  EZE     997

Next time you decide to say someone's "wrong as always" it might be worth knowing what you're talking about.

My guess is that the Hawaii aircraft act as warm spares, and get called into service 70% of the time. Put them into an A check, and they're no longer available to sub for another aircraft which goes out of service or doesn't return to service in time from its own A or B check.

 

[AMFAMAN]

Next time you decide to say someone's "wrong as always" it might be worth knowing what you're talking about.

[post="284745"][/post]​

Like I said, on VC right now but after I get back I will give you a list of A/C they had plenty of ground time on them to accomplish an A-check but instead was done down South. I do believe that 1 of the 2 flights is a 777 that used to sit around overnite with no check done before flying out the next night and then get its A-check down south, I will check that one when I get back but the summer schedule might have changed that. But FYI, 302 A/C's have had A-checks done out of the country since Feb 4, 2005, as of 4 days ago or close to 2 per day. And BTW, check on A/C 371 yesterday, just heard it sat here all day and management deffered the check on it and sent it to Chile. I would venture to guess the check was accomplished on arrival.

 

[FWAAA]

My guess is that the Hawaii aircraft act as warm spares, and get called into service 70% of the time. Put them into an A check, and they're no longer available to sub for another aircraft which goes out of service or doesn't return to service in time from its own A or B check.

[post="284745"][/post]​

Of course they would be available to sub for other 767s that went out of service - would that also explain why several of these airplanes turned around to destinations like STL, BWI, LAS and CUN that don't ordinarily feature 763s?

 

[aafsc]

I am speaking of the industry as a whole! UAL, NWA, JBLU, UPS FEDEX!!!!!
Go back and read my other posts under this topic.

Don't just cut and paste one of my posts and take it out of context.
UAL used to have 12000 mechanics, they are now in the 5000 number range.

I didn't see any other work group suffer these kinds of losses.

[post="284694"][/post]​

I did not intend to take you post out of context. But you are right about all the other airlines sending heavy maintenance overseas while butchering their maintenance workforces here in this country.

 

[Hopeful]

I did not intend to take you post out of context. But you are right about all the other airlines sending heavy maintenance overseas while butchering their maintenance workforces here in this country.

[post="284781"][/post]​

That was the gist of my post.
These are not just airline jobs being lost, but American jobs in general!

 

[Oneflyer]

And BTW, check on A/C 371 yesterday, just heard it sat here all day and management deffered the check on it and sent it to Chile. I would venture to guess the check was accomplished on arrival.

You don't really seem to understand how maning seems to work. Once the budgeted number of AMTs is established and the shift bid set. Those people are getting paid no matter where the checks are getting done. Unless of course all the AMTs were working on other planes and OT would be needed to accomplish the check. In that case, it makes a lot of sense to get the check done down south when the plane is going to sit idle for 10 hours.

 

[AMFAMAN]

You don't really seem to understand how maning seems to work. Once the budgeted number of AMTs is established and the shift bid set. Those people are getting paid no matter where the checks are getting done. Unless of course all the AMTs were working on other planes and OT would be needed to accomplish the check. In that case, it makes a lot of sense to get the check done down south when the plane is going to sit idle for 10 hours.

[post="285028"][/post]​

So in other words you are justifying the under-manning that exists. Management are the ones who budget the number of AMT's and also set up the shift bid. So because of their screw ups, you can justify the checks going south. Funny, that's the same excuse the company union gave me. And OT, count me out till everyone is recalled.

Let me guess, when the plane sits 10 hours stateside without a check, that's just good business sense.

BTW...

Out of the Country Check Updated

2-4-05 to 7-30-05

A-Ck’s = 315
PS = 1589
0922 = 521
SIC = 200

 

[FWAAA]

So in other words you are justifying the under-manning that exists. Management are the ones who budget the number of AMT's and also set up the shift bid. So because of their screw ups, you can justify the checks going south. Funny, that's the same excuse the company union gave me. And OT, count me out till everyone is recalled.

Let me guess, when the plane sits 10 hours stateside without a check, that's just good business sense.

BTW...

Out of the Country Check Updated

2-4-05 to 7-30-05

A-Ck’s = 315
PS = 1589
0922 = 521
SIC = 200

[post="285070"][/post]​

Couple of things.

In those six months, AA would need to complete about 9,282 A-Cks on its mainline aircraft, not counting the MD-80s (which rarely leave the country, except to Mexico and the Bahamas). And of those 9,000+ A-Cks, you take issue with a mere 315 completed out of the USA? Perspective seems to be in short supply.

If you were complaining about thousands of A-Cks, that would be one thing. But a mere 315?

Another thing: The mechanics "down south" are paid whether they do the A-Cks or not. So why not have them do the checks if they have the time? Why would you prefer that they just sit around and get paid for doing nothing? So it would mean more jobs here? The airplane sits on the ground in a foreign destination and you would prefer that MORE downtime be scheduled stateside so more AMTs could be on the payroll? Inefficiency is your friend?

 

[flydcoop]

AA's flight attendants based in South America are also AA employees. They may be foreign nationals, but they're not outsourced. They follow the same procedures and receive the same training that a BOS or LGA based flight attendant does.

[post="284583"][/post]​

I have to disagree with you here, Former ModerAAtor,

The F/N's are AA employees but with four separate contracts for each country.

They do complete our EPT's but it is different for them in APFA world.

The 6-8 F/N's that "crossed-over" during the '97-2001 new-hire craze (with dual-citizenship) lost their employee numbers. You don't lose those in the US if you were once employed by AA.

Two are here in SLT/STL and regret leaving the FN base. They had it made. Primo INTL trips, dry-cleaning paid for...an apartment with a maid. Not too mention, they were picked up and dropped off at their apartments for their trips.

As a new-hire non-reving from SAL, I made more than the 12 year LIM purser, but he had a better lifestyle.

What I was always told as a gate agent in MIA was that it was an "Eastern/Branniff" thing and it was a requirement of the country that their people would work it.

I can state that the majority of the FN's come from very well-placed families...take that info where you want to.

From a MIA gate agent perspective, LIM is an absolute nightmare. EZE is close behind.

SCL is the best and BOG is next-in-line.

Just a little insider-dish for you,

Coop

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