Pay Cut For Us Airways Pilots: 18%

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Pay cut for US Airways pilots: 18%

Union, airline tentatively agree to deal


TONY MECIA, ADAM BELL & STAN CHOE

Staff Writers

CHARLOTTE (Observer) - After months of tortuous negotiations, US Airways and its pilots union brokered a tentative agreement Friday that would slice pay by 18 percent and boost the airline's chance of survival.

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Shame on you for posting this, an article which quotes someone that has an opinion which differs from yours!!!! :D
 
AP Tech said:
Shame on you for posting this, an article which quotes someone that has an opinion which differs from yours!!!! :D
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Not only that why is he allowed to post the complete article and when I did it was modified? Moderator?
 
EyeInTheSky said:
Ring a bell USA320Pilot? Was that you?
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No if it was him it would have been...

"You're taking down MY f------ job, you loser!" one pilot hysterically screamed in a panic (as he ran to post on Usaviation's website) at Von Bargen.
 
Yesterday I flew a Shuttle trip, had a 15 minute connection to CLT, then went to the almost 8-hour ALPA MEC meeting, then commuted back home, arriving at 1:00 a.m. In other threads some have commented that I did not post for some reason, but I’m sorry if I did not have the time between flights to even use a wireless system.

Yesterday the Pittsburgh and Philadelphia Reps attempted twice to present a motion to invoke a 7-day clause to review the tentative agreement and hold another special MEC meeting on October 5 to vote on whether or not to send the TA out of membership ratifications, which could deny a pilot’s due process right to vote.

75 rank-and-file members attended the meeting and 3 were in favor of RC4 action and 72 were against their motion. The meeting was held behind closed doors, but to say it was emotional would be an understatement with many confrontations occurring.

MEC chairman Bill Pollock ruled that RC4 motion to invoke the 7-day clause was out of order on two separate occasions. At about 9:45 p.m. Pollock adjourned the meeting and he then called ALPA outside legal counsel Mike Abrams who was summoned to the meeting.

There are claims that the Pennsylvania Reps could invite criminal charges due to fraud, which could lead to “jail timeâ€￾. Lance Svendsen, Charlotte First Officer Rep told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review "have misled this pilot group using e-mails, phone calls, resolutions and council letters… Their reckless and careless agenda...has already cost this pilot group millions of dollars in lost income and benefits.''

Furthermore, there are reports that the RC4 and Negotiating Committee have violated the Landrum/Griffith act and could be held liable for millions of dollars in civil penalties. Not only could they face a judgment to pay millions of dollars in civil penalties, they would have to defend them self in court. The RC4/NC tried to indemnify the self in the process and included in the TA, the Company agreed “to indemnify the Association for fifty percent (50%) of its reasonable expenses and reasonable attorneys' fees which the Association sustains arising out of or in connection with the foregoing changes in this Letter of Agreement #93.â€￾

However, the RC4 will be responsible to pay at least their own legal fees for the pending lawsuits, which will occur for fraud, Duke Spellancy - DFR, and even more important violations of the Landrum/Griffith act.

The increase of the pay cut from 16.5% to 18% was included to pay for increased expenses such as indemnification, so rank-and-file members bare the brunt of failed leadership.

The MEC meeting resumed this morning at 10:00 a.m. and I am in close contact with the MEC. The Pittsburgh proffered another resolution this morning trying to invoked a 3-day period to review the TA before taking a vote on whether or not o send the resolution out for membership ratification. The RC4 now have said they need more time to study the agreement. In response, Pollock just said will keep the MEC in session now until at least 3:00 p.m. to stud ythe document with Mike Abrams.

Separately, Pollock told the MEC in “open sessionâ€￾ that the IAM, AFA, and CWA have all approached the company to begin negotiations on interim and permanent concessions and IAM proposals will be exchanged on Tuesday. Also noteworthy, there are separate reports the IAM has elected to negotiate because in response to the Arbitrator's ruling, the company has informed the union it may move Pittsburgh maintenance in addition to seeking to have A320 and other heavy maintenace outsourcing "imposed".

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot
 
USA320Pilot said:
Separately, Pollock told the MEC in “open sessionâ€￾ that the IAM, AFA, and CWA have all approached the company to begin negotiations on interim and permanent concessions and IAM proposals will be exchanged on Tuesday. Also noteworthy, there are separate reports the IAM has elected to negotiate because in response to the Arbitrator's ruling, the company has informed the union it may move Pittsburgh maintenance in addition to seeking to have A320 and other heavy maintenace outsourcing "imposed".
Respectfully,

USA320Pilot
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That "also noteworthy" comment are you saying Pollock said that? Or are your separate reports like maybe the little voice in your head? In reply to your stinkin poppycock being imposed you are dillusional.

You are right about one thing IF the IAM stepped up to the plate now it would definitely be in response to the Arbitrator's ruling because the IAM has the upper hand now.
 
Just one more point...the ALPA TA provides an average annual cost savings of $370 million per year, $75 million higher than the $295 million "ask". The company's total labor "ask" is now $950 million and the airline is going to seek deeper cuts from other union's too.

The only union's who will not have to provide more than their initial "ask" ar the TWU units.

Regards,

USA320Pilot
 
USA320Pilot said:
Just one more point...the ALPA TA provides an average annual cost savings of $370 million per year, $75 million higher than the $295 million "ask". The company's total labor "ask" is now $950 million and the airline is going to seek deeper cuts from other union's too.

The only union's who will not have to provide more than their initial "ask" ar the TWU units.

Regards,

USA320Pilot
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I applaud the RC4 and their efforts to keep this T/A from going to the pilots for a vote. Unfortunately, there are way to many USA320Pilot's willing to have a deal at any cost.
 
USA320Pilot said:
There are claims that the Pennsylvania Reps could invite criminal charges due to fraud, which could lead to “jail timeâ€￾.........

Furthermore, there are reports that the RC4 and Negotiating Committee have violated the Landrum/Griffith act and could be held liable for millions of dollars of civil penalties. Not only could they face a judgment to pay millions of dollars in civil penalties, they would have to defend them self in court......

However, the RC4 will not be responsible to pay at least their own legal fees for the pending lawsuits, which will occur for fraud, Duke Spellancy - DFR, and even more important violations of the Landrum/Griffith act.

Two problems:

These 4 guys seems to be very fairly executing their duty to represent the majority of PHL and PIT pilots, a fact you so often "forget" to mention when "speculating" about "consequences" for them "not doing what you want" that have the same likelihood of occuring as "the tooth fairy coming to visit."

And you won't vote on a TA unless they say so, regardless of the rhetoric spewed. Has to sting a bit.
 
USA320Pilot said:
There are claims that the Pennsylvania Reps could invite criminal charges due to fraud, ...
Respectfully,

USA320Pilot
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In the last bankruptcy the MEC (different people mind you) voted to impose a retroactive pay cut, and voted to give away the pension of the retirees. They are currently being sued in court. The current MEC has a handful of honorable men who will not shirk their responsibility to represent the pilots and would be happy to have you waste more of your money on nefarious unfounded lawsuits that you might dream up. :p

In regards to fraud, there are a couple of "candidates" that are much more qualified of that charge than your favorite whipping boys. :p

Respectfully,

Phoenix
 
Questions for thought...

1. Why would the RC4 and their hand picked Negotiating Committee (NC) demand that the company pay for ALPA legal expenses if a member(s) sue the Association or a MEC member as a result of the new TA/contract?

2. Why did the pay cut go up when the indemnification expense was included on the last day of negotiations?

3. How come the company would agree to only indemnify ALPA for 50% of their legal fees? Why not 100% for a larger pay cut?

4. Why did the NC obtain a TA in 6 days after all restrictions were lifted?

Separately, I know a pilot, very well, who will hold the RC4/NC accountable, who fully understands the criminal and civil options available, and has the money to pursue such action in a court of law. Also noteworthy, this pilot has sought out the best legal counsel to pursue such a proceeding.

I believe it's important to note that MEC Rep Lance Svendsen said, "Their (RC4)reckless and careless agenda ... has already cost this pilot group millions of dollars in lost income and benefits.'' Furthermore, other MEC members said in "open session" yesterday they will testify if called and there will be subpoenas of official records and transcripts; as well as other discovery, which I understand could be very, very damaging.

This may be something that AFA, IAM, and CWA members may want to evaluate too.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot