The Official Us/hp Ideas For A Happy Merger Thread

[SpinDoc]

As long as it's just the senior VPs, VPs, and Directors. Don't forget that there are the little people underneath them - i.e., managers, senior analysts, analysts, admins - who are actually smart, do real work and have great ideas, and are willing to move. These little people shouldn't be guilty by association, and hopefully there will be a place for most, if not all, headquarters-type employees, no matter where that will be.

[post="264486"][/post]​

Everyone can hope that there will be a place for
them in Tempe or wherever things go, but in all
honesty, WILL there be a long term need for the
duplicity that will occur with management
employees in pricing, marketing, revenue
accounting, consumer affairs, FQTR, etc?
It would certainly be a good opportunity to
reduce the management ranks after both
systems are fully integrated, and if senior
management from HP will remain and not US,
you could likely assume that US mid level
management would not be needed.

Where is Michael Weiss when we need his
vision and reasoned opinions most?

We welcome your take on this rumor
MWeiss.

 

[NAPAUS]

It will be AA/TW all over again.

The relatively more senior U employees will want to "dovetail," a sweet and innocent sounding name for keeping all their seniority (date of hire and/or date in classification). They will be the equivalent of TW in this fight. You all ready see the self-righteous 700UW over here talking about how that is the "one, true way."

The relatively more junior HP employees will want a staple job. They will be the equivalent of AA in this fight.

Most likely this won't even matter. HP would be CRAZY to do any type of actual merger. U is a drowning man right now looking for someone -- anyone -- as a white knight to grab onto. (Again like TW was.)

If i t is some sort of actual merger where seniority integrations will become an issue, remember that if everyone doesn't feel screwed in the end, someone got a windfall. (Case in point, the AA-ers felt like they did pretty well in their deal.) If some group doesn't feel totally screwed, they probably got away with something.

Conversely, if everyone feels screwed when all is said and done, it was probably done as fairly as possible.

Good luck!

[post="264489"][/post]​

Bear u dont know what the hell ur talking about... HP/US merger is not SKY NAAZI deal like AA/TW. Furthermore, Us and HP are AFA...fyi, bylaws state date of hire. HP isn't the rich, loathsome, backstabbing, anti-christ the AA is, and will always be. Its two airline trying to survive- pure and simple.... Poor TWA'ers so f..in screwed by the sky nAAzis!!!!

 

[700UW]

And the TWA employees did not have the LPPs to protect them.

 

[DR.EVIL]

And the piece of crap IAM M&R contract still is better then the IBT contract over at HP in regard to scope.

[post="264474"][/post]​

Does the IBT contract pay for both licenses, have shift differential, full pay for sick, involve skill pay, 3rd shift paid lunch, 5 holidays or less, no oji benefit, 1 year stability on bids?? Many would have rather been downsized thru layoffs and been able to return to a decent contract if they chose at a later point. The only possible plus of a merger would to see the iam gone, gone gone!!

 

[700UW]

It has that they outsource ALL Heavy Maintenance.

You can have the best pay and work rules, if you don't have scope, nothing else matters.

 

[DR.EVIL]

It has that they outsource ALL Heavy Maintenance.

You can have the best pay and work rules, if you don't have scope, nothing else matters.

[post="264496"][/post]​

Heard they started to bring it back in house. I'll have to research it.

 

[traderjake]

Slotted equipment ratio is fair for pilots. Relative position for other groups.

Insisting on date of hire is not fair and will kill any deal.

If there is a deal we will get what the bankruptcy judge says or we will get nothing.

 

[CapnCockroach]

As far as the pilots are concerned. The USAir(ways) pilots are working for a pretty much dead company, and as such no longer have any realistic career expectations. They should be totally stapled below the HP pilots.

Yes, that means a 30 year USAir(ways) pilot should go below a HP New Hire hired the day before the merger.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

How do you non-rev at U?

At HP, for employees, its done by time of check in, regardless of seniority or rank, which is very fair, of course it means that sometimes you spend 4 hours at the airport, drinking $6 beers.

 

[cltflyguy]

HP has new hiree f/as from 2005, while we have furloughed f/as from 2001 hire date. Our most junior INVOL is senior to some HP active f/as.
Here's hoping for the best...in all situations.

[post="264483"][/post]​

Actually, Pitbull we still have furloughed f/as from 99 hire date. I was from
the first class hire date of 2000. I have friends from Nov hire date of 99 that
is still furloughed.

I agree, there are so many that want out of the company right now that the company should be doing more to grant this!!

 

[EyeInTheSky]

As far as the pilots are concerned. The USAir(ways) pilots are working for a pretty much dead company, and as such no longer have any realistic career expectations. They should be totally stapled below the HP pilots.

Yes, that means a 30 year USAir(ways) pilot should go below a HP New Hire hired the day before the merger.

[post="264504"][/post]​

Oooh. You're gonna get it now...

 

[700UW]

Heard they started to bring it back in house. I'll have to research it.

[post="264497"][/post]​

America West Selects Brice Seating

Precedes Renewal of TIMCO Heavy Maintenance Contract

GREENSBORO, N.C., July 30, 2004 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- TIMCO Aviation Services, Inc.

(BULLETIN BOARD: TMAS) announced that America West selected the company's subsidiary, Brice Manufacturing Company, for its fleet renewal program. The work scope includes seating for America West's 22 new Airbus A320/A319 aircraft and the possibility of follow-up work to retrofit a number of aircraft in its current fleet.

TIMCO also has announced the renewal of its multiple-year contract with America West for the supply of heavy maintenance services for the carrier's Boeing 737, Boeing 757 and Airbus A319/320 fleets at TIMCO's Macon, Ga. (TIMCO-MCN), and Lake City, Fla. (TIMCO-LCQ), facilities.

Gil West, president and COO of TIMCO, said, "The America West program is significant because it marks the first time a major U.S. carrier has adopted Brice seating products. Coupled with our existing heavy maintenance contract with America West, this award reflects TIMCO's strategy to become a one-stop- shop provider of high-quality support services for the aviation industry."

America West Airlines is a major U.S. carrier based in Phoenix, from which it serves more non-stop destinations with greater frequency than any other carrier. America West has hubs at Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport in Phoenix and McCarran International Airport in Las Vegas. The airline's modern, fuel-efficient fleet consists of Airbus A320s, Airbus A319s, Boeing 757s and Boeing 737s. The average age of the America West fleet is approximately 9 years.

 

[avek00]

Given the circumstances, partial DOH credit to US employees is the best option.

 

[EyeInTheSky]

Given the circumstances, partial DOH credit to US employees is the best option.

[post="264510"][/post]​

One more turd thrown in the punchbowl by another fine United Airlines employee...

 

[EyeInTheSky]

How do you non-rev at U?

At HP, for employees, its done by time of check in, regardless of seniority or rank, which is very fair, of course it means that sometimes you spend 4 hours at the airport, drinking $6 beers.

[post="264505"][/post]​

HPearlyretiree, it's DOH. The planes are full to any place I want to go, so I end up buying a ticket like anybody else.